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#102: Fatted calf is off the menu - will the Easter Bunny save Lower Loxley's bacon, or will there be egg on Russ's face? Will Tom's sausage business get the chop? Join us here to discuss The Archers!

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GabrielleNelson · 10/04/2019 07:57

Archers Thanks due to @PseudoBadger for kicking off this long, long series of Archers threads and to @DadDadDad for being our resident statistician and keeping the ball rolling when Pseudo stepped back a bit. Thanks also to all those who contributed to the thread title, principally Dumdedumdedum and MikeUniformMike on this occasion.

Archers All views on The Archers welcome here! New blood welcomed. We don't all agree on all points and most of us are posting tongue in cheek a lot of the time, so don't worry about revealing that you'd like to be Susan's best friend or other odd unusual views. Grin

Archers Spoilers: not on this thread, please. We don't wait for the omnibus to discuss the weeknight episodes, but we do try our best to avoid cross-contamination from this thread, where spoilers are positively welcomed!

So, to business: will Helen's new cheese be a success? Will Kate succeed in keeping her visiting Brummies under control? Will Pip, Toby, Tom and Natasha fall into the slurry pit, leaving Rosie to be brought up by Anthony Head Robin Fairbrother? Will we ever hear Lee again, and will he casually drop in a mention of his fine collection of framed Bruce Lee posters? Grin

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EBearhug · 12/04/2019 21:03

I can’t believe that a nearly 40 year old business man approached Jazzer like that.

Except in this case, the nearly 40yo was Tom, and it was entirely in character.

notmuchmoretogive · 12/04/2019 21:24

I really think Freddie will 'come good'. Great actor, drives me insane at times but does role well. Boop for the contrast between his apology to Harrison vs his 'you owe me' to Falon and their different responses. I think Harrison will talk Falon round.

Delighted Jazzer walked. Shall enjoy Tasha dealing with pig-swill-Tom for a few weeks.

LassOfFyvie · 12/04/2019 21:32

Tom is such an idiot.

BagpussAteMyHomework · 12/04/2019 21:33

Freddie was an idiot to think Fallon would give him a job.

My issue with Freddie is that he doesn’t seem to think that what he did was all that bad. Just bad luck. He thought he was immune.

BagpussAteMyHomework · 12/04/2019 21:36

I’m hoping Tom finds out that Natasha spoke to Jazzer and blames her for upsetting him. Then Tom will end up apologising to Natasha again when she makes it all about her.

echt · 12/04/2019 21:46

Well that was a splendid episode, though my head was spinning at first with sorting out the three boys. What a clod Tom is, patronising Jazzer with his let him down gently approach. Loved Jazzer kicking the bucket as he left. That would be the swill bucket Tom will have to wield.Smile.

I'm holidaying out of t'internet range for the next four episodes, so will have to binge listen when I'm back.

beachyhead · 12/04/2019 21:55

@echt - I'm sure you know this, but the Sounds app works on WiFi. I spent last week in the US and came home every evening and caught up on the days episode.

JennyWoodentop · 13/04/2019 01:27

My issue with Freddie is that he doesn’t seem to think that what he did was all that bad. Just bad luck. He thought he was immune.

I agree, not sorry he did it just sorry he got caught & had to face the consequences. He also hasn't quite twigged that not everyone will think he's done his time & things can go back to how they were before. The punishment was not just prison but the longer term effects of being known as a drug dealer - as Fallon said, saying sorry doesn't make it OK - especially if you don't even mean it.

We've seen a few flashes of temper from him. I wonder if he's going to get into a fight with someone & end up back in prison.......

echt · 13/04/2019 03:04

Where I'm going doesn't have Wi-fi. I'lll just have to suffer.

LassOfFyvie · 13/04/2019 03:18

I agree, not sorry he did it just sorry he got caught & had to face the consequences

His mother hardly helps does she? In Elizabeth's eyes no one has ever had to suffer the way poor Freddy suffered.

GeorgeTheBleeder · 13/04/2019 06:16

Freddie, Ruairi and Ben in a scene together ... BOOP for a glimpse of the future of TA.

(If only they’d included Johnny - then we’d have had the scions of all four Houses of Ambridge.)

DoctorTwo · 13/04/2019 06:34

Freddie, Ruairi and Ben in a scene together ... BOOP for a glimpse of the future of TA.

(If only they’d included Johnny - then we’d have had the scions of all four Houses of Ambridge.)

Based on the interaction between the three I'm looking forward to Game Of Farms...

LillianGish · 13/04/2019 06:51

Freddie, Ruairi and Ben in a scene together - my only quibble would be that it’s not always easy to tell them apart. Nigel, Brian and David have always been totally distinct, whether altogether or individually, with their sons less so. Johnny is always easy to identify so an extra BOOP for him.

birdsdestiny · 13/04/2019 07:36

Freddie is awful and becoming boring. I hope he isn't the future of TA.

BertrandRussell · 13/04/2019 07:41

He only appears to have apologised to people who might be in a position to give him a job......

Acis · 13/04/2019 08:08

YY to Elizabeth being a major contributor to Freddie's view of himself as a wronged returning hero. Someone needs to ask her how she'd feel if someone had been pushing drugs at her kids and led them into addiction.

BagpussAteMyHomework · 13/04/2019 08:33

Shula is generous to him as well. Freddie really is incredibly lucky to have so much family support.

BertrandRussell · 13/04/2019 08:38

Shula is amazing with Freddie. And he thinks he’s too good to muck out.......

MollyButton · 13/04/2019 08:51

More scenes of the boys together and we might be able to tell their voices apart better.
The Freddie scenes were well written as from his point of view I could see how each scene led to his attitude in the next. But equally Fallon had no idea of his scene with Harrison, so got Freddie's apology from a very different place.
Although Freddie did have a point about Wayne.

Youngsters are often put off (by teachers etc) land based careers. I could see Freddie having had years of teachers and parents criticising "working with horses" as hard, cold and badly paid. And a family attitude that (the person who looks after the hawks) is a bit "beneath" them. Lizzie really doesn't help with this, and has continually pushed him towards something more academic, as well as being too soft. I still shudder at that over indulgent scene where she "smuggled" him into Lower Loxley the night before his trial.

Motoko · 13/04/2019 09:49

He only appears to have apologised to people who might be in a position to give him a job......

Harrison couldn't give him a job.

Youngsters are often put off (by teachers etc) land based careers.

Well yes, they're all pushed towards going to uni. Any kind of manual work is deemed to be inferior, and far too working class for the likes of the Pargetters et al.

I really think the push to get so many in uni, has been very detrimental to those students who just aren't academic. It leaves them floundering, and feeling as though they're not good enough. There should be technical schools like there was in the past, for those children. They might not be very good at algebra or literature, but they could excel in a job where they use their hands.

BertrandRussell · 13/04/2019 09:53

“Harrison couldn't give him a job”

No-but he went straight on to Fallon. He knew he had no hope there if he didn’t square Harrison first.......

MollyButton · 13/04/2019 10:13

Bertrand I think you are being unfair to him there.
Freddie didn't know there was a job with Fallon until after talking to Harrison. He went to Harrison after Kenton told him some home truths, and because he was being adult at confronting the fact he would have to face Harrison sometime so he did it then when he could handle it rather than react and possibly be emotional.

I like Freddie, he seems like young people of that age I know. At some moments they "adult" quite well but then at others they become very childish. And Fallon is trying so hard to be a policeman's wife, that she is suppressing herself - I still remember how angry she got when Harrison arrested Wayne - and that probably did contribute to where Freddie is now.

Just because Freddie is posh and went to "good schools" doesn't make him magically more mature than his age.
(And he is not 100% responsible for Noli, he didn't give her those tablets, she snatched them from him. He was recommending a smaller dose.)

ADarkandStormyKnight · 13/04/2019 10:18

Elizabeth should be supporting him to be an adult. She is making some terrible compromises. He must live at LoLo even though its costing the family their livelihood, but also face the vile Russ every day.

R4 · 13/04/2019 10:31

For years, TA was The Grundys and their Oppressors. Since that feud has had its rapprochement we need a new conflict for a new generation. Or it feels to me that that is what the SW are creating.
People who were rude to Freddie were unnecessarily so. They could have done the simple "I'd love to help but ..." (The alcohol-purveyors, especially, could have cited fear for their licences). The SW are deliberately sowing discontent.

campion · 13/04/2019 10:32

I'm not sure who was doing the understanding at the end last night. It would have been more forceful as a question.

I think Freddie has a point about the cardboard cutout that is Wayne.

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