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As doors slam shut in Rob's face and behind SOC, a new door opens for the next Archers editor. Are we expecting some New Tricks, or just Archenders?

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PseudoBadger · 14/09/2016 15:37

Welcome one and all. No spoilers please!

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TheAntiBoop · 17/09/2016 14:57

Rob doesn't see it as rape as its his right to have sex with his wife regardless of her feelings on the matter.

Bad people often don't realise they are doing anything wrong - they believe what they do is normal. That's what's so scary!!

ibrowze · 17/09/2016 15:22

vango yep well spotted - good ol' Harrison 'Ford' Burns
Lucky he's not Dutch or he might have been a Dyke Smile

Gruach · 17/09/2016 15:27

I've caught uuuup, I've caught up!

Hello everyone. I've cried.

Now, back to fairly near beginning of thread.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 17/09/2016 15:31

Agree completely on that point, AntiBoop. He said to Helen a day or two after that first time 'We got a bit carried away, didn't we' with that awful little laugh. I suppose in an abuser's mind there is little difference between 'we' and 'I'. The other person's feelings and desires count for nothing, and indeed in the mind of the true psychopathy they don't even register.

Rob knows best on all points, so when Helen said she wasn't ready to have another child, in his mind it was OK to ignore that because obviously she was just being silly and wimpish.

Very interesting points about Ursula. Thinking about abused children, I often wonder at what point it's right to stop giving them the benefit of the doubt because of what they've been through, and the same applies to abused adults, I suppose. Given that they don't often get good access to good mental health care to try to reverse the effects of what's happened to them, how justifiable is it to come down with the full force of the law if they become abusers in turn, or complicit in someone else's abuse? Abuse is all about taking away somebody's confidence and ability to make decisions, so it's very harsh to punish them for their inability to make good decisions in adult life - but then on the other hand, not all abuse victims go on to become abusers, so if some people manage it, why can't all of them?

I've also been thinking in respect of Ursula about societies/families/villages with an age-old tradition of young women being treated abysmally by their husband's families, especially the older women. I'm thinking of Wild Swans, for example. What keeps the young women going seems to be the thought that if they can survive till old age they will get their turn to be the vicious old matriarch. It seems to me that Ursula may have been thinking like that. I wonder how she gets on with Miles's wife.

Mellowmarsh · 17/09/2016 15:38

Well Helen has never been a very pleasant person as many pp have pointed out. Yet I think we all have been sorry for her and on her side.
Monstrous people are usually created by monstrous situations. Ursula has spent her life in what clearly seems to be an abusive, controlling relationship. Well two really, both her husband and son. I just don't feel able to root for Helen whilst having no compassion for another woman whose lived her life with a controlling, abusive man.. There but for the grace of God went Helen.....

Gruach · 17/09/2016 16:04

Anna will associate success and a raising of her self belief with Helen and her case and mistake that for feelings of affection for her.

Harsh!Grin I rather liked Helen and Anna being all kissy kissy. They both sounded so human and kind - perhaps they'd bring out the best in each other?

It was all a bit fairy tale - but that's SOC's way; immense perturbation and then everything flung down almost exactly where it was pre-flood. But with new relationships just on the cusp of - something.

What a challenge for Hoo - pushing forward with normal village life after all the excitement.

Puremince · 17/09/2016 16:06

The judge said that contact must be supervised "pending a psychological assessment" Does that mean Rob has to see a psychologist if he wants to see more of Jack? Will we get to hear him discussing how he felt when he was sent to Boarding School as a small boy etc? Might we end up feeling sorry for young Rob?

Puremince · 17/09/2016 16:13

Also - anyone want to take bets on how long it will be before we hear Susan claim that she had always thought there was something a bit off about Rob?

Cherylene · 17/09/2016 16:14

^LyndanotLinda has it for me:

It's like SOC is putting all the happy endings in a big rush. It's a bit like eating too many sweets. Nice but a bit sickly.^

Just like Rob with Henry. He withholds affection, treats him mean, then piles on the sweets when it suits him.

SOC withholds the story from us, bores us and messes about with time/reality, then piles on the sweets.........

Cherylene · 17/09/2016 16:15

sorry - italic fail - must check posts first Sad

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 17/09/2016 16:17

Puremince - I should think that happened the minute the Borchester Echo arrived in the shop last week! Grin

This lawyer's blog has made me laugh.

Cherylene · 17/09/2016 16:18

Ursula is very much of the 'can't beat them then join them' way of thinking, like the charismatic bully's inner ring of followers. Not that Bruce has much in the way of charisma. Maybe he did in his younger days.

RandomDent · 17/09/2016 16:24

I love a happy ending. Can't wait for the shop gossip. :o

NotMe321 · 17/09/2016 16:25

I can't feel that sorry for Ursula because she was prepared to lie and lie again to collude in abusing Helen. She knew perfectly well, for instance, that Rob fully intended to put Henry into boarding school - indeed, she actually suggested it - yet indignantly refutes it at every opportunity and helps him to use it as evidence of Helen's alleged delusions. Even the decision to push for a 5 year old to go to boarding school is pretty horrible.

I realise that it could be explained on the basis that she's been conditioned to think her role in life is to support her menfolk come what may, even if that includes lying and perjuring herself: but at some level she has to know that she's lying, and what the effect of that will be on both her daughter in law and a vulnerable child. Carrying on in those circumstances is still evil, no matter what the background is.

ppeatfruit · 17/09/2016 16:31

Oh that was brilliant! Can we all carry on like nothing happened now? I've just LA !

Shall we take bets on whether Kirstie meant that she's only 'kissing' Tom in the heat of the moment and that's it?

Vango · 17/09/2016 16:32

Monstrous people are usually created by monstrous situations. Ursula has spent her life in what clearly seems to be an abusive, controlling relationship. Well two really, both her husband and son. I just don't feel able to root for Helen whilst having no compassion for another woman whose lived her life with a controlling, abusive man..

Couldn't the same be said of Rob? At what point do we expect him to take responsibility for his own actions? If we are expected to have compassion for Ursula (though we have no evidence that her upbringing was anything other than normal), shouldn't we extend the same courtesy to Rob who is a victim of his parents' dysfunctional relationship?

GypsyFl0ss · 17/09/2016 16:32

perhaps they'd bring out the best in each other?

I think they are far too alike for it to work.

TheAntiBoop · 17/09/2016 16:32

Well there was clearly more than kissing about to go on!

Poor old Roy having to listen to those two all night

TheAntiBoop · 17/09/2016 16:33

When does Phoebe go to uni?

ppeatfruit · 17/09/2016 16:34

Me too Random Dent Grin BOOP for it!!!

GypsyFl0ss · 17/09/2016 16:36

Kirsty and Tom will end up married quietly without any fuss and move into the home they originally planned on the family land. This house will be delivered by the housing fairy, who, now that she has solved the Grundies crisis and with a brief stop at BHC to collect the unwanted extra bedroom will have time on her hands to project manage and deliver a 4 bed cottage in a very short timeframe.

Fink · 17/09/2016 16:38

The Oxford term starts on 9th October. Freshers will be expected to be there around 2 weeks earlier (known as -1st week), so sometime in the week starting 25th September depending on the college for the exact date.

Mellowmarsh · 17/09/2016 16:39

Notme, so should we only have compassion for victims of DV if they are nice people? If they fit our idea of what a victim should look like or act like?
I doubt Ursula got much say in whether Rob went to boarding school or not. She's carrying out her normal.
She may well believe the story they are now telling themselves. Rachel Dolevaz sincerely believed she was black after all. And believing stories we tell ourselves is pretty normal. It's just more noticeable when people like Rob or Rachel Dolevaz take it to such extremes.
And Helen lied to cover for Rob, despite the effect on Henry of living with him. Helen left her son crying and distressed at Rob's insistence.and she had been living with an abusive man for far less time than Ursula. Should we condemn her too?
Ursula is a horrible human being. But she is a victim too who has lived a life of controlling abuse. And I have compassion for that.

Fink · 17/09/2016 16:40

But isn't she taking a gap year anyway? Or did she decide against in the end? (I wasn't listening while on holiday so may have missed that).

BertrandRussell · 17/09/2016 16:41

Has anyone explained why all that stuff from the social worker's about Henry being at risk from Rob wasn't brought out in the criminal court. Or why Henry wasn't immediately removed from Rob's care as soon as the social workers realized what was going on?

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