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SERIAL discussions and theories! **May contain spoilers**

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KeatsieMincePie · 11/12/2014 16:14

A place to put forth our questions and theories without worrying about spoilers for those who are not caught up Grin

For anyone interested in, here are links to the Serial SubReddit and the Slate.com podcasts-about-the-Serial-podcasts and the many other podcasts from This American Life.

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MagersfonteinLugg · 20/12/2014 22:24

I think Jay went to the police because he knew they would eventually come to him if they had had more time to dig.
I think he figured that, by coming over as the unwilling accomplice, he could pin the murder on Adnan (who he figured would naturally be the first suspect), and turn states witness which he hoped would get him a lesser sentence. The police were so intent on "getting their man" that Jay would have seemed like a gift from the gods, so he managed to bargain for no sentence whatsoever.

PTAblues · 21/12/2014 19:04

I was a suspicious of the guy from the porn video store who turned up on the last episode to say Jay wasn't the sort to be a murderer and also that he was a fraid of Adnan. Jay could've been in contact with him over the past few weeks and got him to speak to SK with this story. If I remember correctly Jay and Adnan continued to hang out in the weeks after Hae went missing.

BigPawsBrown · 21/12/2014 23:13

I think it was a joint venture between Adnan and Jay. I always have. It explains why both would lie, and fits perfectly the 'prisoner's dilemma' faced by those tied up in JVs: unless you can absolutely trust both will be quiet, be the first to sail the other up the river.

I think possibly Adnan and Jay got into some sort of situation with Hae. I don't know, maybe a rape gone wrong or something.

I am a lawyer and have listened to the whole podcast with interest. Love the thoroughness and how real it is. In real life you never really know what happened, but what seems obvious is most often true.

Eastpoint · 21/12/2014 23:56

I think this article is thought provoking.

OxonConfusedDotCom · 22/12/2014 20:28

Interesting article. Kind of what i was saying down thread but much less articulately.. I did find it disconcerting on Lee, voyeuristic, certainly. And unpleasant to pick over when it's a real murder of a real woman, and yet it's all about him. She is not developed as much of a character at all.

Eastpoint · 23/12/2014 06:33

Her family refused to take part, which is completely understandable.

OxonConfusedDotCom · 23/12/2014 11:48

Appreciate that, but imho journo had an obligation to build her up much more as a credible, 3 dimensional character. And didn't do so.

mjmooseface · 23/12/2014 17:34

She's not a character though.

KeatsieMincePie · 31/12/2014 04:19

Did you all see the interview with Jay? Part 1 here

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EssexMummy123 · 31/12/2014 11:46

Looks like Jay has now done Part 2 of the interview mentioned above - summary and link www.vulture.com/2014/12/jay-from-serial-thinks-he-was-demonized.html?mid=facebook_nymag

I haven't listened to either yet but from reading the summary it sounds like Jay is just digging himself in deeper.

lalalonglegs · 02/01/2015 11:46

OK, I only listened to the final episode last night. I'm another one putting Jay right in the frame and the reason I think he got away with it is that he is black and Baltimore is an overwhelmingly black city. A lot of the jurors were black and, as per the episode in which SK interviewed some of them, they liked the way he came across during trial. Adnan, on the other hand, was surrounded by "scary, beardy" Muslims (SK also mentions that a ton of supporters from the mosque turned up to the trial) and, despite it being pre-9/11, they quite possibly had their own prejudices about Pakistanis and south Asian Muslims.

And Adnan didn't testify. So they had a nice young man trying to be helpful to the prosecution and being harangued by the defence barrister up against this more unfamiliar young man who is surrounded by suspicious types and won't even speak up in his own defence. That doesn't explain why the police were so ready to go with Jay but I think it might help explain why the jury were willing to overlook the (many, many) holes in Jay's evidence.

Vivacia · 02/01/2015 17:42

I just finished the final episode. I look forward to hearing how things turn out. For my money, I don't think there was enough to convict Adnan.

I was very surprised and disappointed that the final episode didn't end with a memorial to Hae. I was expecting there to be a selection of voices describing what she was like in life.

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