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Unbearably hot flat (leaseholder) why can’t AC be allowed if health risk

96 replies

FTBregret · Today 13:10

Londoner, stupidly bought a new-ish build flat that is like a greenhouse (I viewed it in winter). My flat can reach up to 39°c inside and I despise this flat regret buying but can’t go back and it’s not a suitable time for me to sell. During summer I try to avoid staying at home for too long. I’m disabled live alone, regularly feel unwell, have previously fainted, got dizzy spells, and barely sleep but my housing Clarion couldn’t care less

I keep all windows shut during the day but open them at night (single aspect windows so not much breeze). Sometimes I’ll also put fan with ice facing out the open window at night too but barely does much.

I purchased portable AC but it’s inefficient, it doesn’t cool the overall room well enough and you only feel cool if you stand right in front of it. Also I can’t keep windows open all day for safety reasons. Americans claim single hose portable acs which are commonplace in UK are inefficient compared to dual hose (can’t find dual in Uk), there’s some science behind it. Makes sense as my portable ac is no where near as good as split ac or even my friends flat (no ac) who has cross ventilation

Desperately want split ac and/or external shutters but as a leaseholder it won’t be allowed. Why is it not considered as a health safety risk to have to live in these temps as a disabled adult

I’m sure many will comment to tell me I’m being ridiculous and lacking resilience but I have relatives who live in Arizona who wouldn’t sleep in temps above 23°c… why do we have to suffer like this in a first world country

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GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · Today 17:32

NoisyMonster678 · Today 13:19

I spray myself with cold tap water to keep cool at home as I also live in a flat and I have found this is the best way to stay cool in summer as well as drawing curtains when the sun is high.

Spray myself under my clothes as it takes longer for the water to evaporate and I find it really brings instant relief.

During a massive heatwave at work, in a very hot building, I used to take one of those spray bottles used for plants, and we’d spray each other. Certainly helped.

Anyahyacinth · Today 17:34

Not sure if already suggested. Feet in cool water (washing up bowl). Frozen hot water bottles are fabulous too

CandidHedgehog · Today 17:41

Just to warn people - if you put foil on the inside of windows, this can cause the window to crack. The foil needs to be on the outside.

UhOhRatPoo · Today 17:55

Can you post a picture of how you are venting the aircon?

By the way, the reason that the freeholder provided temp heating would be because your heating is probably controlled centrally, so it’s their responsibility. With cooling, they do not undertake to provide any cooling services so that is why they are not interested in organising any centrally-managed solutions.

SamClamsDisco · Today 18:23

Honeyhonay · Today 13:45

Why buy a flat without looking at the lease?

Comments like this are peak mumsnet. Get fucked, you smug twat.

BorgQueen · Today 18:25

For any windows in the sun - white sheet over a sprung pole right up against the glass.
Fan on the floor pointing upwards, floor level is generally 5° cooler than ceiling level. Once sun goes down, fan on window sill pulling cooler air in from open window.

mullers1977 · Today 18:28

FTBregret · Today 13:10

Londoner, stupidly bought a new-ish build flat that is like a greenhouse (I viewed it in winter). My flat can reach up to 39°c inside and I despise this flat regret buying but can’t go back and it’s not a suitable time for me to sell. During summer I try to avoid staying at home for too long. I’m disabled live alone, regularly feel unwell, have previously fainted, got dizzy spells, and barely sleep but my housing Clarion couldn’t care less

I keep all windows shut during the day but open them at night (single aspect windows so not much breeze). Sometimes I’ll also put fan with ice facing out the open window at night too but barely does much.

I purchased portable AC but it’s inefficient, it doesn’t cool the overall room well enough and you only feel cool if you stand right in front of it. Also I can’t keep windows open all day for safety reasons. Americans claim single hose portable acs which are commonplace in UK are inefficient compared to dual hose (can’t find dual in Uk), there’s some science behind it. Makes sense as my portable ac is no where near as good as split ac or even my friends flat (no ac) who has cross ventilation

Desperately want split ac and/or external shutters but as a leaseholder it won’t be allowed. Why is it not considered as a health safety risk to have to live in these temps as a disabled adult

I’m sure many will comment to tell me I’m being ridiculous and lacking resilience but I have relatives who live in Arizona who wouldn’t sleep in temps above 23°c… why do we have to suffer like this in a first world country

We have portable units, and they work really well. Are you home all day? We keep the curtains closed and have thermal curtains on them. Then, in the evening, an hour before bed, we switch the aircon units on in the bedroom, and we have to switch them on in the night because it gets too cold.

tiredottoman · Today 18:43

What kind of aircon unit do you have? I bought a Meaco one a few years ago and it’s been great, although you need to keep it on otherwise the room soon heats back up again. Only time it struggles is when the sun is really strong on the window.

Outtaxed · Today 18:48

Given there are now summer on summer heat waves, builders should prove some sort of cooling system is in situ eg tree shade, cross breezes, French style shutters, or plumb in air con throughout the building. Same goes for insulation and humidity issues in the winter.

Summervibes83 · Today 19:03

Apologies if someone has already suggested this but are your curtains thermal with the reflective backing? I recently bought black out blinds with this backing for my son's south facing room, which has previously got very hot, having those down all the time makes an enormous difference to the temperature.

JenniferBooth · Today 19:04

FTBregret · Today 13:10

Londoner, stupidly bought a new-ish build flat that is like a greenhouse (I viewed it in winter). My flat can reach up to 39°c inside and I despise this flat regret buying but can’t go back and it’s not a suitable time for me to sell. During summer I try to avoid staying at home for too long. I’m disabled live alone, regularly feel unwell, have previously fainted, got dizzy spells, and barely sleep but my housing Clarion couldn’t care less

I keep all windows shut during the day but open them at night (single aspect windows so not much breeze). Sometimes I’ll also put fan with ice facing out the open window at night too but barely does much.

I purchased portable AC but it’s inefficient, it doesn’t cool the overall room well enough and you only feel cool if you stand right in front of it. Also I can’t keep windows open all day for safety reasons. Americans claim single hose portable acs which are commonplace in UK are inefficient compared to dual hose (can’t find dual in Uk), there’s some science behind it. Makes sense as my portable ac is no where near as good as split ac or even my friends flat (no ac) who has cross ventilation

Desperately want split ac and/or external shutters but as a leaseholder it won’t be allowed. Why is it not considered as a health safety risk to have to live in these temps as a disabled adult

I’m sure many will comment to tell me I’m being ridiculous and lacking resilience but I have relatives who live in Arizona who wouldn’t sleep in temps above 23°c… why do we have to suffer like this in a first world country

The UK will wait till someone dies Its the British way

tipsyraven · Today 19:13

JenniferBooth · Today 19:04

The UK will wait till someone dies Its the British way

People die every year from the heat. Something like 1,500 last year according to government figures.

This might help some people.

https://www.shadetheuk.com/overheating-adaptation-guide-for-homes

Overheating Adaptation Guide for Homes — Shade the UK

https://www.shadetheuk.com/overheating-adaptation-guide-for-homes

shuggles · Today 19:27

@FTBregret Thanks, I do already keep windows closed and curtains drawn all day throughout summer. Even when I do open windows at night it reduces temp but not by a huge amount (perhaps because lack of cross ventilation)

Not sure if anyone else has said it, but I'm going to say it anyways...

Are you leaving windows open in 2 different rooms, and propping open the doors?

Only opening one window doesn't reduce temperature much because the hot air is trying to leave through the same window that the cooler air is coming through.

If you open windows on opposite sides of the home, and prop open the doors in between, you get a "wind tunnel" effect and good airflow through the home which helps to cool things down more quickly.

PigletJohn · Today 19:32

That may not work well in a flat, but you can sometimes leave the door ajar as well as a window.

In a house, opening the loft hatch causes the warmest air to rise up and escape.

JenniferBooth · Today 19:34

UhOhRatPoo · Today 15:21

What portable aircon do you have? We have one that works really well.

Have you double checked the dimensions of the room you want to cool vs the power of the unit?

Can you post a pic of how you are venting it?

The reason that housing associations won’t allow permanent aircon to be fitted is because of how ugly the external units look. Same reason as why most leases prohibit drying washing on balconies. I lived in Asia for years and they are indeed very ugly.

The freeholder HA probably has planning rules that it has to follow so decision is likely out of their hands and they in turn would need to apply for permission.

Your only hope is to band together with your neighbours and make a legal bid to change the rules. You will never achieve this if you act alone.

The choice will be taken out of their hands. Their homes especially flats are already getting up to inhabitable temperatures so unless they want to a. lose rent or b. exacerbate the housing crisis even more they will have to get their heads out of their arses. I expect they will care more about a than b. Losing rent income will focus their minds.

KilkennyCats · Today 19:36

JenniferBooth · Today 19:34

The choice will be taken out of their hands. Their homes especially flats are already getting up to inhabitable temperatures so unless they want to a. lose rent or b. exacerbate the housing crisis even more they will have to get their heads out of their arses. I expect they will care more about a than b. Losing rent income will focus their minds.

How will they lose rental income? If people have the option to go elsewhere, why aren’t they already doing so?

Abracadabra12345 · Today 19:37

deplorabelle · Today 13:24

Ultimately we will all need ac. Are you sure it's a no go for you?

Putting one of those reflective car windscreen shields in the windows helps a quite a lot. If the window opens inwards (or you're ground floor) try and get a covering on the outside of the glass.

In the last heatwave I got one of those metallic survival blanket things they give Marathon runners and trapped it in the closed window on the outside of the glass (silver side outwards). It cooled the window by ten degrees c so try that if you can (I held it there with copious sellotape so I could open and shut the window without dislodging it but you might have higher standards than me 🙂)

This is exactly what I did with my home office. I think I got the tip on MN!

PressureImplosion · Today 19:38

As a HA tenant just get the AC fitted!

How often do they come into your home??

How would they even know?

DaisyChain505 · Today 19:43

I second another posters advice about the hot water bottle. Fill it 2/3 full and freeze and just carry that around with you and sleep with it at night.

JenniferBooth · Today 19:46

KilkennyCats · Today 19:36

How will they lose rental income? If people have the option to go elsewhere, why aren’t they already doing so?

https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/south-london-tower-block-residents-34154331

Residents we met spoke of their appreciation for the councillor's support, including her success in temporarily rehousing some tenants in hotels during the last heatwave. Rhonda said: "She has not left our side for the last four weeks,

Tower block residents left vomiting as heatwave sends homes to 35C

A local councillor says she fears someone will die in the stifling Sutton block

https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/south-london-tower-block-residents-34154331

JenniferBooth · Today 19:47

KilkennyCats · Today 19:36

How will they lose rental income? If people have the option to go elsewhere, why aren’t they already doing so?

Because overheating homes now come under Awaabs Law

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