Block up hall access to kitchen or not?

[Happytostayhome]

Looking at offering on a house, but would ideally like to move kitchen into 'sunroom' (brick extension) to create kitchen/diner and add a 4th bedroom somewhere.
The only 'cheap'ish way i can see to do this is by blocking the access to the what will be kitchen/diner, having to access through the living room.
Is this an awful idea?! Or practically ok?
(Have added current floorplan and proposed)
Any advice/ideas are welcomed 🙏

Marking for when floorplan appears!

Personally I’d hate having to go through the sitting room to the kitchen but let’s see what’s possible.

Assuming a typical 3 bed semi layout: Surely using the living room as a bedroom is the cheap option.

Then a loft extension the next obvious choice.

Sorry, for some reason pictures won't upload from my phone - have tried again on the laptop!

Ooh, no, your living room will become a corridor and very unrelaxing to be in.

I think your proposal works well based on the existing plan.

Its a compromise but workable

What about making the bit of the l-shaped kitchen on the right hand side the 4th bedroom?

Would that fourth bedroom have natural light? I’d be making the bit of kitchen behind the utility into a bedroom, or convert the front of the garage and do a jack and Jill door into the bathroom.
Or move the utility to the front of the garage with an access door through the bathroom. Then knock through the existing utility and kitchen at the back to make one big bedroom.

I’d make the door into the existing kitchen from the hall into a corridor going through to the current utility: you may need to move the stud wall towards the garage door a bit. Then make the garage storage only accessible from the front and the existing utility into the 4th bedroom ( with a window).

Sorry, @BlackSheepThisYear you are rght, there is no window this way!
The hundreth idea, and i forgot why it wasnt possible in the first place 🤦‍♀️
The L part of the kitchen on the right would be ideal, but its just too small.
Utility is old part of garage and houses boiler, so would be an expense to move boiler/convert into a room and again no window.
I dont think a 4th bedroom is looking very feasible!

Is the boiler at the back of the old garage/ on the wall backing the existing kitchen? If so you could replace the garage door with a window and have a good sized 4th bedroom with window to the front. The small L bit of the existing kitchen could become the utility and the small back bit of the existing utility becomes a boiler/broom cupboard accessed from the utility. Entry tgo the new bedroom would be via a short corridor from the existing kitchen door. You’ll need the external wall/window sorting and to move ve an internal stud wall. Its the easiest way I think.

You can’t have a bedroom without means of escape - so it needs a window.

I’d also want a direct route to my kitchen ie not through another room.

I think the best option is to put bed 4 into current utility/half garage, then small part of existing kitchen becomes utility and you create a corridor through what you’ve labelled bed 4. (It will be a wide corridor so can have deep storage cupboards down one side to make up for loss of garage storage).

If you want to keep the garage then make the utility and small part of existing kitchen into bed 4 and create corridor with deep cupboards as mentioned - laundry machines can be hidden in the cupboards.

Alternatively, cut a slice off the lounge to make a corridor to new kitchen diner, turn L shape kitchen into lounge and the reduced lounge becomes bed 4. You end up with a weird shape lounge this way though, but it could work.

Use the living room as the bedroom, make the current kitchen compact, take out the units in the area you were going to have the other bedroom and make that a cosy living space with a sofa and a tv and use the sun room as the main living room

Just realised current living room has no window either so that doesn’t work as a bedroom

Existing kitchen blocked off from the extension.

Reposition the utility door, new corridor/hall/entrance created for old kitchen & utility entrance.

The 4th bedroom will have that wall support jutting into it but the bed will fit in the area with the window ok.

Our house doesn't have direct access to the kitchen from the hall. Our living room is a corridor as you go through it to get to the kitchen, utility room and dining room. Unfortunately it would need serious rebuilding (including moving the stairs) to be able to get direct access from the hall. I wouldn't recommend it - we have to take wet shopping bags etc through the living room so don't have carpet in there either...

Can I ask why you need a fourth bedroom - is it because you have 3 kids you want to have the own room or as a guess room / occasional use

@RandomMess any chance you could explain your idea a bit more, please? Are you saying to block off the access to the 'new kitchen/diner' and access through the living room?
@itsthetea it would be a spare room, but as my relatives who visit are getting older, a sofa bed doesnt work anymore, so am afraid they will stop visiting (at present we sleep on sofa bed and give them our bed, which isnt ideal. So as we are looking at a new house, I would really like to have a 4th bed)

Yes that’s what I mean.

If the room is only to be used occasionally then you could actually have doors on both sides of the room and go through it when you don’t have guests.

I’m not sure I’d give up living space for an occasional guest - how often do they visit?

Is there a way of making your sofa bed set up better? With the lounge and then the sunroom it feels like you could create a nice occasional bedroom

@oneplustwoplustwoplusone not sure how to make the sofa bed setup better? They need to be sleeping in a bed really visiting for a week at a time.

I think 2.7x2.1 (old l shaped kitchen) is fine for an occasional guest room.

Would this work? Swap the utility and shower room and make the back bit the bedroom. Create hallway down to the new kitchen. Picture pending.

@HappytostayhomeI suppose I meant for you, if your guests can’t sleep on the sofa bed (although ours is very comfy!) Different/more storage in the lounge so you could have some of your bedroom bits in there when they stay.

Whats the upstairs configuration? I assume it’s only the downstairs that has been extended

A wallbed is brilliant for this, as it’s a proper bed with a proper mattress and slats rather than anything folding.

But it doesn’t double as a sofa obviously

this is a good result but a huge amount of work structurally as you have to knock down the main side wall of the house