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council tax band G & H to double

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StrawberryThief1930 · 03/11/2025 13:43

has anyone seen the rumours that the council tax rates for bands G and H are going to double?

I know everything is just rumours at the moment but im worried this one might stick. easy to implement in an existing system and doesn't require the revaluation of thousands of houses etc.

I'm about to buy a G band house. Seriously questioning whether we can afford it. The current council tax is £4k a year. so £8k a year. Over £300 a month more than we had budgeted. we have spreadsheets coming out of our ears trying to check we can afford this house. Buying with a 40% deposit. im sweating...

anyone have the same worries? or further thoughts?

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NorthXNorthWest · 28/11/2025 00:04

DrPrunesqualer · 27/11/2025 22:41

Agree
Id love to know how they plan to be so accurate with the valuing aswel
A value is only what someone will pay
Surveyors are not that accurate even when they do have access to the interior
What are they going to do
assume everyone has the same level of finish
or wait for all the owners to appeal the value

There’s not much between £1.8 and £2mill, or £2.5 and £2.6 other than a keen buyer

I suspect there will be a lot of challenges.

The market just about £2 m is going to tank, but I expect the government will push that their surveyor is correct when they still value the house above that.

It's just theft by the morally bankrupt. I am not affected but I think it is only a matter of time.

NorthXNorthWest · 28/11/2025 00:05

TheNoonBell · 27/11/2025 23:14

Sounds like the government may revalue all the bands using satellite imagery and AI to trawl through EPC certs and planning portals.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/news/satellites-to-spy-on-homeowners-labours-property-tax-raid/

Edited

Great! Back of the fag packet calculations. They never fail to disappoint, if that is true!

DrPrunesqualer · 28/11/2025 01:07

TheNoonBell · 27/11/2025 23:14

Sounds like the government may revalue all the bands using satellite imagery and AI to trawl through EPC certs and planning portals.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/news/satellites-to-spy-on-homeowners-labours-property-tax-raid/

Edited

Blimey I hope they don’t charge us for our low EPC, nothing we can do about it I’m afraid

Elbowpatch · 28/11/2025 10:24

DrPrunesqualer · 28/11/2025 01:07

Blimey I hope they don’t charge us for our low EPC, nothing we can do about it I’m afraid

They will probably extract the floor area and the type of house from the EPC.

council tax band G & H to double
DrPrunesqualer · 28/11/2025 12:24

Elbowpatch · 28/11/2025 10:24

They will probably extract the floor area and the type of house from the EPC.

I do t understand
What does that do?

TheNoonBell · 28/11/2025 12:59

PigletJohn · 27/11/2025 23:27

I see you're quoting the Torygraph

The source of the "band G and H will double" scare story

Even though Downing Street had already briefed that they were aiming at a charge on the most expensive homes

Which is what actually happened.

Apologies comrade but Socialist Worker hasn't reported on it yet so we only have the Telegraph as a source.

From the article I lnked yesterday, they have been trialling this in Wales (2024 article). https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/11/welsh-labour-to-hike-council-tax-by-spying-on-homeowners/

It seems like they are doing a whole property tax revamp, factoring in changes to property or its footprint (planning portal and satellite), how good the area is (transport links, crime rates and even how good schools are in any one area), plus EPC's (if you have solar or heat pumps) and last sale prices.

Google have been using satellite radar to populate google maps as a friend of ours noticed his new outbuilding suddenly appeared on Google Maps, which he was a bit unhappy about as he doesn't have planning for it. Analysing changes to radar satellite images is something AI is very suited to and is heavily used in Ukraine.

KeepPumping · 28/11/2025 14:10

TheNoonBell · 28/11/2025 12:59

Apologies comrade but Socialist Worker hasn't reported on it yet so we only have the Telegraph as a source.

From the article I lnked yesterday, they have been trialling this in Wales (2024 article). https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/11/welsh-labour-to-hike-council-tax-by-spying-on-homeowners/

It seems like they are doing a whole property tax revamp, factoring in changes to property or its footprint (planning portal and satellite), how good the area is (transport links, crime rates and even how good schools are in any one area), plus EPC's (if you have solar or heat pumps) and last sale prices.

Google have been using satellite radar to populate google maps as a friend of ours noticed his new outbuilding suddenly appeared on Google Maps, which he was a bit unhappy about as he doesn't have planning for it. Analysing changes to radar satellite images is something AI is very suited to and is heavily used in Ukraine.

How does having an outhouse or a shed or a big garden give you more cash to pay CT, are they assuming people are "growing"? Councils need to be cut back to the absolute basics, but that won"t work either because the council is probably the biggest employer in Wales?

Araminta1003 · 28/11/2025 14:14

Won’t it just be the same methods then as currently used for new builds? You think they are going to revamp everything? Whatever they use on the 2 million band will have to be the same methodology as everything else surely and people will be able to appeal. They cannot just go ooh you have a big outhouse you look like a millionaire. It will have to be objective as in would your house sell for 2 million pounds on the open market as at X date.

Araminta1003 · 28/11/2025 14:22

If it has not been updated since 1991, a whole property valuation revamp is due. But local sales data will still be relevant.
We did a big extension some 15 years ago, they came round, did some calculations and keep us in the same band. The issue we have is that since 1991 some regions have inflated massively, notably London. London is a Labour stronghold, currently losing support. May elections in 2026. I suspect a lot of the current proposals will be subject to outcomes in local elections.
So whilst they have held this at 2 million pound threshold, there is no way the Labour Party as a whole can afford to lose their London stronghold completely.

Elbowpatch · 28/11/2025 15:03

DrPrunesqualer · 28/11/2025 12:24

I do t understand
What does that do?

The bigger the floor area and/or detached instead of semi-detached, the higher the value.

rainingsnoring · 28/11/2025 15:33

TheNoonBell · 28/11/2025 12:59

Apologies comrade but Socialist Worker hasn't reported on it yet so we only have the Telegraph as a source.

From the article I lnked yesterday, they have been trialling this in Wales (2024 article). https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/11/welsh-labour-to-hike-council-tax-by-spying-on-homeowners/

It seems like they are doing a whole property tax revamp, factoring in changes to property or its footprint (planning portal and satellite), how good the area is (transport links, crime rates and even how good schools are in any one area), plus EPC's (if you have solar or heat pumps) and last sale prices.

Google have been using satellite radar to populate google maps as a friend of ours noticed his new outbuilding suddenly appeared on Google Maps, which he was a bit unhappy about as he doesn't have planning for it. Analysing changes to radar satellite images is something AI is very suited to and is heavily used in Ukraine.

Maybe, who knows but @PigletJohn has made a very fair point about the Torygraph and its non stop, inaccurate rumour bill in the run up to the election.

All the hysterical folks on here calling for revolutions, etc need to calm down and not allow themselves to be whipped into a storm by the right wing press trying to drum up anti Labour, sentiment and frankly anti United Kingdom propaganda.

LibertyLily · 28/11/2025 15:45

Araminta1003 · 28/11/2025 14:22

If it has not been updated since 1991, a whole property valuation revamp is due. But local sales data will still be relevant.
We did a big extension some 15 years ago, they came round, did some calculations and keep us in the same band. The issue we have is that since 1991 some regions have inflated massively, notably London. London is a Labour stronghold, currently losing support. May elections in 2026. I suspect a lot of the current proposals will be subject to outcomes in local elections.
So whilst they have held this at 2 million pound threshold, there is no way the Labour Party as a whole can afford to lose their London stronghold completely.

The discrepancies between one location and another are ridiculous imo.....

We also did a fairly large extension (thirteen years ago) on a previous house and ours was put up two bands. Does yours not have an improvement indicator @Araminta1003?

PigletJohn · 28/11/2025 15:57

@TheNoonBell

"Apologies comrade but Socialist Worker hasn't reported on it yet so we only have the Telegraph as a source."

I don't read either of those papers, so thank you for checking your copy of Socislist Worker.

If you look carefully, you will see which paper I used as my source.

I am not your comrade.

PigletJohn · 28/11/2025 16:03

@TheNoonBell

"Google have been using satellite radar to populate google maps as a friend of ours noticed his new outbuilding suddenly appeared on Google Maps, which he was a bit unhappy about as he doesn't have planning for it."

I don't have much sympathy for lawbreakers. As has frequently been mentioned, the old Council Tax valuations are long overdue for an update, so it will be good to see them more accurate with some anomalies corrected, especially if this picks up some people who have been evading tax so the rest of the community picks up their share.

suburburban · 28/11/2025 17:30

I hope they crack down on those who are Breeching planning with excessive extensions and lying about renting out outbuildings to tenants

they are definitely using more services and should pay accordingly

mamagogo1 · 28/11/2025 17:34

@PigletJohn. I appreciate a voice of reason!

if you can afford a £2m house you can afford the extra charge. Measures are planned to allow deferral of payments in certain circumstances (eg retired people who are on low incomes)

Elbowpatch · 28/11/2025 17:35

suburburban · 28/11/2025 17:30

I hope they crack down on those who are Breeching planning with excessive extensions and lying about renting out outbuildings to tenants

they are definitely using more services and should pay accordingly

I’m not sure how they can do that just from an aerial photo. The outbuilding could be anything from a high end garden room to a manky tin garage and look much the same from above.

suburburban · 28/11/2025 17:37

Elbowpatch · 28/11/2025 17:35

I’m not sure how they can do that just from an aerial photo. The outbuilding could be anything from a high end garden room to a manky tin garage and look much the same from above.

True

I suppose councils are so broke they can’t physically go and check but perhaps it is necessary

DrPrunesqualer · 28/11/2025 20:30

Elbowpatch · 28/11/2025 15:03

The bigger the floor area and/or detached instead of semi-detached, the higher the value.

What does that have to do with the EPC ?

NorthXNorthWest · 28/11/2025 20:34

mamagogo1 · 28/11/2025 17:34

@PigletJohn. I appreciate a voice of reason!

if you can afford a £2m house you can afford the extra charge. Measures are planned to allow deferral of payments in certain circumstances (eg retired people who are on low incomes)

Why is a mansion tax fairer than capital gains tax?

DrPrunesqualer · 28/11/2025 20:34

suburburban · 28/11/2025 17:30

I hope they crack down on those who are Breeching planning with excessive extensions and lying about renting out outbuildings to tenants

they are definitely using more services and should pay accordingly

All properties need looking at. There are So many extensions to properties since the last valuations none of that is accounted for.

DrPrunesqualer · 28/11/2025 20:37

NorthXNorthWest · 28/11/2025 20:34

Why is a mansion tax fairer than capital gains tax?

Capital gains tax on all those properties that have been enlarged ie developed
should be charged at point of sale

Perhaps these drones and investigating planning and building regs etc will lead to that.

Taxing developing is definitely fair. Developers are taxed so ….

suburburban · 28/11/2025 22:04

DrPrunesqualer · 28/11/2025 20:34

All properties need looking at. There are So many extensions to properties since the last valuations none of that is accounted for.

But people extending their kitchen for example aren’t putting an illegal dwelling in their garden and possibly charging rent to some poor people

DrPrunesqualer · 29/11/2025 00:27

suburburban · 28/11/2025 22:04

But people extending their kitchen for example aren’t putting an illegal dwelling in their garden and possibly charging rent to some poor people

I’m not referring to that I’m referring to capital gains to be gained from property development

Illegal is another matter for the planning departments….its not a tax matter

Legal and approved currently doesnt affect bands and isn’t taxed at point of sale ie gain

PigletJohn · 29/11/2025 01:04

NorthXNorthWest · 28/11/2025 20:34

Why is a mansion tax fairer than capital gains tax?

Why is capital gains tax fairer than council tax?