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council tax band G & H to double

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StrawberryThief1930 · 03/11/2025 13:43

has anyone seen the rumours that the council tax rates for bands G and H are going to double?

I know everything is just rumours at the moment but im worried this one might stick. easy to implement in an existing system and doesn't require the revaluation of thousands of houses etc.

I'm about to buy a G band house. Seriously questioning whether we can afford it. The current council tax is £4k a year. so £8k a year. Over £300 a month more than we had budgeted. we have spreadsheets coming out of our ears trying to check we can afford this house. Buying with a 40% deposit. im sweating...

anyone have the same worries? or further thoughts?

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NorthXNorthWest · 23/11/2025 20:50

KeepPumping · 23/11/2025 19:32

Just look at the facts. When the anti-immigration thing gets fully rolling look out if you are trying to sell anything even remotely overpriced or undesirable, and depending on what CT nonsense is rolled out this week, that could make certain property "undesirable" as well.

https://thenegotiator.co.uk/news/land-new-homes/new-build-property-sales-drop-to-lowest-in-over-15-years/

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I’m not sure what Rachel expected to happen. People who are worried about their income don’t rush out to buy houses unless they absolutely have to. There still aren’t enough of the right type of homes in the places people actually need them, and credit is still expensive. Add in economic uncertainty...

It's bad for everyone.

Labour just keeps spending on the unproductive and raising taxes. You cannot tax yourself to growth. The last budget should me more that enough proof of that. Companies were already shifting roles to cheaper countries, and Rachel then made it more expensive to trade and more expensive to employ people. The minimum wage rise was justified, but everything else piled onto the “broad shoulders” of business had an almost immediate negative impact at a time when many firms were already struggling.

Yes, Labour did announce policies that could benefit business, but none of those have actually been delivered yet. Many business don't have the time to wait to see if or when they will be delivered. Remember the last budget? Why after that would companies and consumers have any confidence in them? Not one negative outcome of that last budget could not have been predicted. Including the housebuilding plan stalling. There’s always big talk about investment and reform, but it is almost never delivered.

Papyrophile · 25/11/2025 20:23

I know the poll tax brought Maggie Thatcher to her end, but it is really the only fair way. Each adult should make an individual contribution to the collective spend. Not per house.

RosesAndHellebores · 25/11/2025 20:28

Papyrophile · 25/11/2025 20:23

I know the poll tax brought Maggie Thatcher to her end, but it is really the only fair way. Each adult should make an individual contribution to the collective spend. Not per house.

I agree but was in the minority in 89/90. Just as interesting were the valuations. I sold a two bed flat (admittedly with a gg) for 92,500 in 87 and bought a £135k three bed house in the same borough. Rates on the flat were £443; on the house £282. It made no sense at all. At that time I was single and had to pay exactly the same as a family of 4/5.

PigletJohn · 25/11/2025 20:51

Papyrophile · 25/11/2025 20:23

I know the poll tax brought Maggie Thatcher to her end, but it is really the only fair way. Each adult should make an individual contribution to the collective spend. Not per house.

It's a property tax.

As usual, people lucky enough to buy a £2million pound house think it would be nice if they paid the same tax as people living in a £250thousand flat.

rainingsnoring · 25/11/2025 22:35

Papyrophile · 25/11/2025 20:23

I know the poll tax brought Maggie Thatcher to her end, but it is really the only fair way. Each adult should make an individual contribution to the collective spend. Not per house.

It was so unfair and regressive that even Thatcher had to back down. I thought this had already been discussed on here. Even she brought in a local tax in proportion to property values. Of course, it is totally out of date now but far fairer than a tax per person.

DrPrunesqualer · 26/11/2025 10:49

Papyrophile · 25/11/2025 20:23

I know the poll tax brought Maggie Thatcher to her end, but it is really the only fair way. Each adult should make an individual contribution to the collective spend. Not per house.

Agree
but people and Governments seem to think you use more services if you live in a larger property

Im not aware the bin men, for example, take more bins from my house than the band. D up the road .
It doesn’t cost a penny more
The Whole system needs assessing better.

Single parents with or without kids would be far better off it it was taxed per person.
Everyone would be paying equally for a service everyone equally relies on

pinkspeakers · 26/11/2025 13:26

Papyrophile · 25/11/2025 20:23

I know the poll tax brought Maggie Thatcher to her end, but it is really the only fair way. Each adult should make an individual contribution to the collective spend. Not per house.

It really isn't. But I suppose it depends you your definition of "fairness". Do you also think that the only fair way to pay for all national government services is to pay a fixed charge per person independent of income or wealth?

GasPanic · 26/11/2025 13:27

So this turned out to be a complete damb squib, by introducing something that in my opinion is very regressive and does nothing to really correct the system.

Inadequate changes implemented in a terrible way.

DrPrunesqualer · 26/11/2025 13:36

pinkspeakers · 26/11/2025 13:26

It really isn't. But I suppose it depends you your definition of "fairness". Do you also think that the only fair way to pay for all national government services is to pay a fixed charge per person independent of income or wealth?

Fairness and equality are not the same thing

A poll tax is based on equality

The current council tax is also based on equality. Everyone in a single band in the same area are charged the same irrespective of earnings

suburburban · 26/11/2025 13:37

pinkspeakers · 26/11/2025 13:26

It really isn't. But I suppose it depends you your definition of "fairness". Do you also think that the only fair way to pay for all national government services is to pay a fixed charge per person independent of income or wealth?

You would probably get more revenue though

I’m sure PR was reduced in some cases anyway but everyone contributed

DrPrunesqualer · 26/11/2025 13:38

suburburban · 26/11/2025 13:37

You would probably get more revenue though

I’m sure PR was reduced in some cases anyway but everyone contributed

Some areas had £0 poll tax

KeepPumping · 26/11/2025 22:44

DrPrunesqualer · 26/11/2025 10:49

Agree
but people and Governments seem to think you use more services if you live in a larger property

Im not aware the bin men, for example, take more bins from my house than the band. D up the road .
It doesn’t cost a penny more
The Whole system needs assessing better.

Single parents with or without kids would be far better off it it was taxed per person.
Everyone would be paying equally for a service everyone equally relies on

Good points, most big houses tend to just have two or three bins outside, same as little houses, do people in large houses take up more space when they use the library or need more resources than someone in a flat when they access social care?

PigletJohn · 26/11/2025 22:51

KeepPumping · 26/11/2025 22:44

Good points, most big houses tend to just have two or three bins outside, same as little houses, do people in large houses take up more space when they use the library or need more resources than someone in a flat when they access social care?

It's a property tax, not a metered use of services charge.

Of course people lucky enough to have a home worth millions are attracted by the idea of paying the same tax as people living in a low value home.

Joeninety · 26/11/2025 23:03

They banded our house as a band F. What an insult, is there any way we could be re banded up to, if not a H, then I'd settle for a G ?

KeepPumping · 26/11/2025 23:05

GasPanic · 26/11/2025 13:27

So this turned out to be a complete damb squib, by introducing something that in my opinion is very regressive and does nothing to really correct the system.

Inadequate changes implemented in a terrible way.

Down valuing really is a thing now, for a number of reasons, so a lot of houses that were "2 million pound houses" are no longer going to be in that category.

https://blog.planna.co/understanding-the-rise-in-property-down-valuations/

This budget just creates more uncertainty, more pain for working people, more benefit dependency and more (especially youth) unemployment. The good news is that the Labour top team with every move they make just shovel more coal on the engine room fire of the steam train called Reform.

DrPrunesqualer · 27/11/2025 17:01

PigletJohn · 27/11/2025 01:10

"It's a point made by Will Watson of The Buying Solution. 'For our clients buying properties at £5 million or more, £7,500 a year will not deter them, for them relatively it is stomachable,' he says."

https://www.countrylife.co.uk/property/the-mansion-tax-is-coming-who-will-be-hit-when-and-for-how-much

But thats my house !
and I don’t agree

What utter bollocks to assume he knows anything about everyone’s personal circumstances and to assume he can speak for them speaks of such arrogance

Presume he’s far left

So he’s lying or perhaps he should have used someone else’s property
😂😂

DrPrunesqualer · 27/11/2025 17:46

KeepPumping · 26/11/2025 22:44

Good points, most big houses tend to just have two or three bins outside, same as little houses, do people in large houses take up more space when they use the library or need more resources than someone in a flat when they access social care?

Exactly
Time for someone with their heads screwed on to sort this all out.

Twiglets1 · 27/11/2025 19:50

So much scare mongering around the idea of a “mansion tax” & turns out it’s only going to affect people with properties worth at least 2.5M.

Vast majority of us will not be affected by that.

DrPrunesqualer · 27/11/2025 20:51

Twiglets1 · 27/11/2025 19:50

So much scare mongering around the idea of a “mansion tax” & turns out it’s only going to affect people with properties worth at least 2.5M.

Vast majority of us will not be affected by that.

Papers say it will affect about 100,000 homes

The worry is that the £2mill threshold will go down to £1.5mill ( just the way stamp duty went )
Then down and down so more and more people unable to pay!

Its clear what this is all about , the loss in income from stalling sales, affect on the housing market and Stamp don’t make it a financial decision.

Twiglets1 · 27/11/2025 21:13

Apologies yes it’s 2M not 2.5M but still … it’s not a problem that will affect most people. No point worrying about things that might happen in the future when no one has a crystal ball.

And council tax bands G&H aren’t doubling… a lot of unnecessary worrying about what could happen when what did happen in the budget with the mansion tax doesn’t affect many people as a percentage of the population.

NorthXNorthWest · 27/11/2025 22:14

DrPrunesqualer · 27/11/2025 20:51

Papers say it will affect about 100,000 homes

The worry is that the £2mill threshold will go down to £1.5mill ( just the way stamp duty went )
Then down and down so more and more people unable to pay!

Its clear what this is all about , the loss in income from stalling sales, affect on the housing market and Stamp don’t make it a financial decision.

It will go down.

Let’s not insult our own intelligence: the focus revaluing Bands F, G and H isn’t a 'review', it’s a revenue strategy. Redraw the boundary, expand the tax base, and call it reform. Mark my words it is a slippery slope, so hardly a coincidence these whole bands are suddenly in the firing line. The plan is obvious: quietly redraw the lines, pull in a whole load of people (who breathed a slight of relief when the budget was announced) then act surprised when the net inevitably gets wider. And let’s be honest, this isn’t housing policy, it’s a straight-up revenue raid with better PR and a catchy little dog whistling ear worm. Because nothing sounds better that than the government sticking it to the 'rich'.

Worse still, it’s not even money being raised to fix local problems. The money won’t stay in the communities being hit hardest. It’ll be sucked straight into the central government black hole, disappearing into debt, deficits and a broken, leaking welfare budget. It wont fix a single road, school or housing shortage where it was raised let alone touch the social care budget that is killing most LAs.

If the government genuinely wanted to tackle property wealth and affordability, there’s an obvious solution: charge Capital Gains Tax on sales, across all bands. That hits real gains and real windfalls, without punishing people just for staying where they are. After all, the owners of £2m+ houses are not what’s stopping first-time buyers getting on the ladder. The point of sale is the only moment you actually know what a house is worth. Real money, real buyer, no guesswork. Everything else is just speculative nonsense with a Treasury logo slapped on it.

And if we’re suddenly so serious about targeting “£2m+ property wealth”, why is there radio silence on the biggest unearned windfalls of all? What about people who bought council houses for a fraction of their value, then watched them double, triple, or more on the open market? Or those who’ve sat still for five years and seen their house rise £200k to £300k+ for doing absolutely nothing? That is pure, unearned wealth. No risk. No graft. No downside. Yet somehow that kind of windfall is politically untouchable. There is radio silence because that where we are heading. Getting buy in to tax at £2m has open the door to widening the target because in UK tax policy, 'targeted' almost always means 'first'. Just ask anyone paying VAT on essentials such as energy or still repaying a student loan at 50. But don’t worry, this time it’s definitely different…🙄

Funny how “unfair housing wealth” only becomes a crisis once other people have it. Until then it’s Right-to-Buy miracles, dependent children owning their own home to free up money for expensive second homes, forgotten rental properties and the occasional eviction for good measure.

The housing crisis at the bottom end isn’t being caused by people sitting in £2m homes. It’s being driven by chronic under-supply, planning constraints, high interest rates, weak real wage growth, and financial institutions. None of that is fixed by punishing the top end. In fact, slapping a mansion tax on high-value homes is more likely to gum up the market, slow everything down, and seize up chains, making it harder, not easier, for properties to filter down.

To add insult to injury a mansion tax doesn’t take into account what you have actually spent improving your property. Buy at £900k, spend £400k renovating + put an effort in though the years to add value, and the response is simply: “Nice house. Pay up.” No allowance for build costs. No recognition of real investment. No distinction between paper inflation and real gain. Basically just judgement and contempt for all owners whilst a political gun is held to their head to pay for the incompetence of successive governments.

I am in no doubt that those who currently live in homes that attract the mansion are the test case and they are just keeping seats warm for the rest of us.

DrPrunesqualer · 27/11/2025 22:41

NorthXNorthWest · 27/11/2025 22:14

It will go down.

Let’s not insult our own intelligence: the focus revaluing Bands F, G and H isn’t a 'review', it’s a revenue strategy. Redraw the boundary, expand the tax base, and call it reform. Mark my words it is a slippery slope, so hardly a coincidence these whole bands are suddenly in the firing line. The plan is obvious: quietly redraw the lines, pull in a whole load of people (who breathed a slight of relief when the budget was announced) then act surprised when the net inevitably gets wider. And let’s be honest, this isn’t housing policy, it’s a straight-up revenue raid with better PR and a catchy little dog whistling ear worm. Because nothing sounds better that than the government sticking it to the 'rich'.

Worse still, it’s not even money being raised to fix local problems. The money won’t stay in the communities being hit hardest. It’ll be sucked straight into the central government black hole, disappearing into debt, deficits and a broken, leaking welfare budget. It wont fix a single road, school or housing shortage where it was raised let alone touch the social care budget that is killing most LAs.

If the government genuinely wanted to tackle property wealth and affordability, there’s an obvious solution: charge Capital Gains Tax on sales, across all bands. That hits real gains and real windfalls, without punishing people just for staying where they are. After all, the owners of £2m+ houses are not what’s stopping first-time buyers getting on the ladder. The point of sale is the only moment you actually know what a house is worth. Real money, real buyer, no guesswork. Everything else is just speculative nonsense with a Treasury logo slapped on it.

And if we’re suddenly so serious about targeting “£2m+ property wealth”, why is there radio silence on the biggest unearned windfalls of all? What about people who bought council houses for a fraction of their value, then watched them double, triple, or more on the open market? Or those who’ve sat still for five years and seen their house rise £200k to £300k+ for doing absolutely nothing? That is pure, unearned wealth. No risk. No graft. No downside. Yet somehow that kind of windfall is politically untouchable. There is radio silence because that where we are heading. Getting buy in to tax at £2m has open the door to widening the target because in UK tax policy, 'targeted' almost always means 'first'. Just ask anyone paying VAT on essentials such as energy or still repaying a student loan at 50. But don’t worry, this time it’s definitely different…🙄

Funny how “unfair housing wealth” only becomes a crisis once other people have it. Until then it’s Right-to-Buy miracles, dependent children owning their own home to free up money for expensive second homes, forgotten rental properties and the occasional eviction for good measure.

The housing crisis at the bottom end isn’t being caused by people sitting in £2m homes. It’s being driven by chronic under-supply, planning constraints, high interest rates, weak real wage growth, and financial institutions. None of that is fixed by punishing the top end. In fact, slapping a mansion tax on high-value homes is more likely to gum up the market, slow everything down, and seize up chains, making it harder, not easier, for properties to filter down.

To add insult to injury a mansion tax doesn’t take into account what you have actually spent improving your property. Buy at £900k, spend £400k renovating + put an effort in though the years to add value, and the response is simply: “Nice house. Pay up.” No allowance for build costs. No recognition of real investment. No distinction between paper inflation and real gain. Basically just judgement and contempt for all owners whilst a political gun is held to their head to pay for the incompetence of successive governments.

I am in no doubt that those who currently live in homes that attract the mansion are the test case and they are just keeping seats warm for the rest of us.

Edited

Agree
Id love to know how they plan to be so accurate with the valuing aswel
A value is only what someone will pay
Surveyors are not that accurate even when they do have access to the interior
What are they going to do
assume everyone has the same level of finish
or wait for all the owners to appeal the value

There’s not much between £1.8 and £2mill, or £2.5 and £2.6 other than a keen buyer

TheNoonBell · 27/11/2025 23:14

Sounds like the government may revalue all the bands using satellite imagery and AI to trawl through EPC certs and planning portals.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/news/satellites-to-spy-on-homeowners-labours-property-tax-raid/

PigletJohn · 27/11/2025 23:27

TheNoonBell · 27/11/2025 23:14

Sounds like the government may revalue all the bands using satellite imagery and AI to trawl through EPC certs and planning portals.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/news/satellites-to-spy-on-homeowners-labours-property-tax-raid/

Edited

I see you're quoting the Torygraph

The source of the "band G and H will double" scare story

Even though Downing Street had already briefed that they were aiming at a charge on the most expensive homes

Which is what actually happened.