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Overpriced property- What to offer?

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WayTooBigForYourBoots · 16/07/2024 22:42

Hoping for some advice on how to gauge the value of a property in the current market. We have seen a house we like but it seems very overpriced compared to others we have seen in the same area.
There hasn’t been any recent sales on the same street to compare, but we do know the property price when it was last sold which was 6-7 years ago. There has been no changes made to the property since the last sale so any increase in value would be purely due to the change in the market.
What % extra should we look to add to the last sale price to come up with a reasonable offer? Or what is the maximum % increase they should expect to get from what they paid?

We saw another house in the same area that was also last sold 6-7 years ago, and has an asking price of 10% more than the last sold price which we thought could be a helpful guide, but that is a new build (so has probably lost some value?) and has had a lot of improvements done including landscaping the garden (which has increased the value) so we’re not sure if the price increase is comparable as the house we are looking at isn’t a new build or had any improvements done.

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Blueuggboots · 17/07/2024 19:38

I wasn't going to tell them that!!! They rang me and asked me to increase my offer when the vendor hadn't rejected our first offer! I said no!!

DappledThings · 17/07/2024 20:54

WayTooBigForYourBoots · 17/07/2024 18:22

No they don’t have to generally but if they want us to make a higher offer they will have to otherwise we walk away

OK then. But if they want to (probably foolishly) hold out for a higher offer they will and mo amount of justifications, market reports or anything else is likely to change your mind. It's just dithering.

If you know what you're prepared to pay offer that and be prepared to lose it if they aren't interested. That's all that's there's any point doing.

RunningThroughMyHead · 17/07/2024 21:20

WayTooBigForYourBoots · 17/07/2024 18:42

Well they would if they get it for a reasonable price. And that’s why researching and making a sensible offer is important. Silly comment.

I don't think you got what I was saying.

WayTooBigForYourBoots · 17/07/2024 23:09

DappledThings · 17/07/2024 20:54

OK then. But if they want to (probably foolishly) hold out for a higher offer they will and mo amount of justifications, market reports or anything else is likely to change your mind. It's just dithering.

If you know what you're prepared to pay offer that and be prepared to lose it if they aren't interested. That's all that's there's any point doing.

Obviously. That’s why I’m trying to work out how much more I’m prepared to pay.

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WayTooBigForYourBoots · 17/07/2024 23:16

RunningThroughMyHead · 17/07/2024 21:20

I don't think you got what I was saying.

I think it was pretty clear. You were saying that I’m lying about the house being so overpriced. And it’s worth more than I’m saying otherwise I wouldn’t want it. It was a silly comment. Just because they’ve overpriced it doesn’t mean I have to pay it and it also doesn’t mean I can’t make a lower offer for what I think its worth. I have nothing to gain by lying to a bunch of strangers who I’ve asked advice from.

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dottiehens · 18/07/2024 07:57

WayTooBigForYourBoots · 17/07/2024 13:06

Because it’s priced in the same region as other bigger much nicer houses in nicer streets and with better spec? And it needs work doing which the others don’t.

Are there many houses in the area for sale? What do you like about this house and not the others that you have seen? if they are new to the market then I would not offer too lower on the asking as they know they may easily get a better offer. Unfortunately, if you have seen many houses and you like this one you may have to go for it even if overpriced. Also, interest rates would almost certainly start to come down end of this year so a lot of more sales would be achieved.

KievLoverTwo · 18/07/2024 08:54

WayTooBigForYourBoots · 17/07/2024 18:34

Yes we know the area well, no we don’t have properly log we’re first time buyers so haven’t heard of it? Where can we look at online planning/approvals?

Property Log is worth its £3 a month - it's a chrome add-on.

The local council's planning portal. I searched for 'Harrogate Planning Portal' and got this:

https://uniformonline.harrogate.gov.uk/online-applications/

I put in a recently sold property address, eg this:

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/details/england-31390333-20620123?s=6e5a2859d220638c007502abbdafebdeaf155e9e7ee3f9e329f65bd5c2cb6e24#/

Which leads me to all the results for the property

Click on any of the blue links

At the bottom it will say: There is 1 property associated with this application.

Click on that '1 property'

Then click here:

Properties (1)

Then click the property history tab, which shows:

Planning Applications (10)

Usually, further down that list there is a subsection (the below is for another property)

Building Control Applications (10)

Which contains items such as:

6 Windows
Ref. No: xxxx /FENSA | Status: Building Work Complete

Install one or more new circuits
Ref. No: xxxxxx | Status: Building Work Complete

Install a replacement consumer unit
Ref. No: xxxxx | Status: Building Work Complete

^ that's where you find the 'hidden' work that's been done - at least by people who are registered with recognised safety schemes and submit paperwork to the council, eg FENSA for windows and doors, HETAS for chimneys and woodburning stoves, and whatever the one is that electricians use, etc.

Ofc they could have work done that's not 'officially' recognised. That doesn't mean nothing's been done or what has been done is bad quality. Eg some really small window suppliers may not want to pay for FENSA because the costs aren't worth it for their 2-man-band business.

Simple Search

https://uniformonline.harrogate.gov.uk/online-applications

urbanbuddha · 18/07/2024 10:13

NewFriendlyLadybird · 17/07/2024 16:31

There is absolutely no point talking about percentages, previous sold prices, comparisons with other houses that sold yesterday or seven years ago. There is also no way of objectively determining a house’s value.

The current asking price is more than you are prepared to pay. Don’t waste time and goodwill trying to justify that but just offer what you are prepared to pay — what its value is TO YOU.

The vendors may accept. Or they may decide that it is worth more TO THEM and decline your offer. That’s all there is to it.

This.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 18/07/2024 10:27

bookgirl1982 · 17/07/2024 11:29

Nationwide have a site you can put the postcode and previous sale price in and it will be give you a guide for current value based in local trends

Search for nationwide house price index

Unfortunately, the weakness of this is that these projections, (Nationwide, Zoopla etc.) are not aware of improvements that may have been made.

For example, our own house has had a new roof, new windows, new bathroom, additional shower room, wood flooring and complete redecoration. Oh and a large terrace.
(I beginning to wonder why we bought it )

I don't think any of these improvements will be reflected in the projected value based on sold trends.

KievLoverTwo · 18/07/2024 10:30

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 18/07/2024 10:27

Unfortunately, the weakness of this is that these projections, (Nationwide, Zoopla etc.) are not aware of improvements that may have been made.

For example, our own house has had a new roof, new windows, new bathroom, additional shower room, wood flooring and complete redecoration. Oh and a large terrace.
(I beginning to wonder why we bought it )

I don't think any of these improvements will be reflected in the projected value based on sold trends.

Added to that, they issue about 30% of mortgages in the UK, and about 50% of homes don’t have one at all.

WayTooBigForYourBoots · 18/07/2024 10:42

dottiehens · 18/07/2024 07:57

Are there many houses in the area for sale? What do you like about this house and not the others that you have seen? if they are new to the market then I would not offer too lower on the asking as they know they may easily get a better offer. Unfortunately, if you have seen many houses and you like this one you may have to go for it even if overpriced. Also, interest rates would almost certainly start to come down end of this year so a lot of more sales would be achieved.

Edited

We have much preferred other houses but this one is closer to our friends and family. That’s not a dealbreaker for us but we want to try and make an offer on this first for that reason. It has been on the market for 4 months.

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Janieforever · 18/07/2024 10:49

Very odd way to look at it.

you know what they want, irrelevant of if you think it’s over priced or not.

decide what you think it’s worth, shoot your shot. If they tell you to jog on, then do so, how long it takes to sell after that or what they get is none of your business.

your view of a good offer and theirs is likely to be different things. They don’t care about your justification.

don’t fall into the trap of thinking is miraculously worth what you can afford and not the asking price.

rainingsnoring · 18/07/2024 11:21

Blueuggboots · 17/07/2024 16:03

We've recently had an offer accepted on a property that we felt was overpriced. We wrote a polite email saying we'd researched similar properties in the area and felt that the offer we were making was appropriate given the presentation of the property and the local market.
We offered £480,000 on a £550,000 priced house that has been on the market at that price for 6 months. We had been led to believe by the EA that they would accept close to £500,000. We were expecting to have to increase it but they accepted it!

This sounds familiar @Blueuggboots. Did you have a thread about this purchase recently? Anyway, congratulations. Good news that the sellers became more realistic.

dottiehens · 18/07/2024 11:33

WayTooBigForYourBoots · 18/07/2024 10:42

We have much preferred other houses but this one is closer to our friends and family. That’s not a dealbreaker for us but we want to try and make an offer on this first for that reason. It has been on the market for 4 months.

In any case we need to remember it is a buyer market if anything. After four months is they really want to sell they would consider your lowest offer. Anecdotally one house near where I live have sold twice in the last five years. A much less interesting house and with not refurbishment after each buy. I really do not know why they have got the asking price each time where there were much better houses and reasonable priced. Sometimes is the EAs pushing for houses that are more difficult to sell. I hope it goes well and you get a good deal and enjoy your first home.

rainingsnoring · 18/07/2024 11:45

I agree with some of the other posters that you can't reach a valuation by simply adding/ deducting a certain percentage. It really is a question of researching and following your local market, in your price bracket over a long period of time to see what is selling, where, for what and how quickly.
This house has been on the market for 4 months, presumably not reduced yet. If they want to sell, they are likely to accept a lower than asking price offer. However, many sellers are unrealistic at present and place a much higher personal value on their home than the market does or they take the word of their overvaluing agent without taking the trouble to do their own research. Some sellers are just kite flying and remove their home if it doesn't sell at their too high asking price.
All you can do is do your research, look at your finances carefully and not over stretch and make what you think is a fair and affordable offer. If they don't accept, walk away and keep looking.

WayTooBigForYourBoots · 18/07/2024 11:56

Janieforever · 18/07/2024 10:49

Very odd way to look at it.

you know what they want, irrelevant of if you think it’s over priced or not.

decide what you think it’s worth, shoot your shot. If they tell you to jog on, then do so, how long it takes to sell after that or what they get is none of your business.

your view of a good offer and theirs is likely to be different things. They don’t care about your justification.

don’t fall into the trap of thinking is miraculously worth what you can afford and not the asking price.

The whole point of this thread is so I can determine what it’s objectively worth to decide whether I want to raise my offer above what we feel it’s worth and get as close to their asking price as we are comfortable with based on reasonable research. Nowhere did I state that I would give them my justification or try and convince them of anything. Just another silly unnecessary comment.

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WayTooBigForYourBoots · 18/07/2024 11:58

dottiehens · 18/07/2024 11:33

In any case we need to remember it is a buyer market if anything. After four months is they really want to sell they would consider your lowest offer. Anecdotally one house near where I live have sold twice in the last five years. A much less interesting house and with not refurbishment after each buy. I really do not know why they have got the asking price each time where there were much better houses and reasonable priced. Sometimes is the EAs pushing for houses that are more difficult to sell. I hope it goes well and you get a good deal and enjoy your first home.

Thank you!

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urbanbuddha · 18/07/2024 11:58

There is no objective value in the way that you mean. Ultimately buyers determine the value of a house by the price that they pay.

SheilaFentiman · 18/07/2024 12:02

Have you decided what you are going to do, OP?

DappledThings · 18/07/2024 12:05

urbanbuddha · 18/07/2024 11:58

There is no objective value in the way that you mean. Ultimately buyers determine the value of a house by the price that they pay.

Exactly. No market report or list of planning permissions granted can tell you what it means to you and how much you are prepared to stretch your budget.

WayTooBigForYourBoots · 19/07/2024 07:44

SheilaFentiman · 18/07/2024 12:02

Have you decided what you are going to do, OP?

Yes we decided to walk away and offer on a different property.

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OneForTheToad · 19/07/2024 07:58

WayTooBigForYourBoots · 19/07/2024 07:44

Yes we decided to walk away and offer on a different property.

Why didn’t you just take a punt on it? It’s a simple yes/no response.

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