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Which property and cost of renovations? Is it worth it?

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LightsCameraBitchSmile · 25/05/2024 13:40

We've had an awful time of it with house buying. We've had two sales collapse - one where we were gazumped and the price went stupidly high, and another where the sellers just changed their mind. We were gutted as spent a fair bit on both and lost our buyers after the second one.

We are now in a state of confusion and there are two properties we like and they are very different. We have an offer from a buyer who hasn't sold theirs yet, and we are continuing to market ours in the meantime but we have five viewings this weekend, and we know they have six viewings on theirs so we are hopeful something goes our way soon! Ours is a three bedroom terraced property and we desperately need more space as we both work from home FT now and ideally also want four bedrooms too as we have three DC living with us (one might not be long term, they aren't our child). Plus storage. Boy do we need storage space!

Property A we really like. It isn't quite as good for us as the one we just lost. Inside is lovely but it is on a very busy road. It's a semi-detached four bedroom house, garden isn't overlooked other than by the neighbour but is quite small and the traffic noise is a worry, but more so at rush hour when we wouldn't be outside anyway. House inside needs no work at all, it's immaculate and while not 100% our taste we'd happily move in right away. It's in our budget and offers the space we need as it has both a big kitchen/diner and a separate dining room we can use as an office.

Property B I love, DH is less keen because it is a complete renovation project. It feels like a big step up the property ladder and the sort of property we could only dream of owning. It's detached, set in 2 acres of land (mostly wooded) and has 6 bedrooms and 4 reception rooms. No main road nearby, very peaceful. It is also a complete state. Nobody has lived there for three years. It's been reduced and now, at the very top of our budget, we could, just about, stretch to buy it.

Structurally the main house is sound. The roof is okay, windows are double glazed and mostly okay (two are blown). It was under offer and had a survey done on it in April but the buyer pulled out for reasons unrelated to the property. It needs rewiring. The boiler probably needs replacing but has been tested and works. An extension that was added on probably needs demolishing (it's a timber extension added to the brick house but looks like a giant rotten shed). All the carpet needs replacing, it's got three bathrooms that need replacing, the kitchen is old fashioned but functional, there is brown wallpaper on every wall. But it is bright, warm, doesn't smell. It's probably the ugliest house you'll ever see but doesn't need kerb appeal as it can't be seen from the road!

If we brought it we would have so little money left, we'd have to do the work slowly and a lot of it ourselves. I'm fairly practical, DH less so. We could cover the mortgage and still save a bit each month as long as we both stay in our current jobs. The mortgage is a stretch but we think we'd be able to save £700/month if we don't do expensive holidays or eat out (both of which we do spend on at the moment). We have a DIP already via a mortgage broker we were dealing with on our last purchase, that would allow us to buy it. Just.

After buying it and fees, we would have about £20,000 left. I think we should be able to get the rewiring and one bathroom done for that (just the most basic bathroom suite you can get, doing the tiling ourselves which I've done before). But that's it. We'd be living in a mostly empty, ugly cavernous house decorated in brown and orange throughout, but at least storage space wouldn't be an issue. To be fair we aren't immaculate new build types. In time we'd want to reconfigure the layout, new kitchen, knock down the weird timber thing plus all the other niceties. I'm happy to look at it as a 10 year project. DH less so. It's the sort of house we could never in a million years afford normally.

What option would you go for? Are we being unrealistic about renovations?

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Pipsquiggle · 26/05/2024 09:05

Could you offer low for house B?

We bought house B BUT we offered low and as the empty probate house had had no proceedable offers for over a year, they accepted. This meant we had enough money to do up the house. We have a lovely home now. Have a chat with the estate agent, see where the vendors are at.

Also depends whether you want to start living in it straight away

BigDahliaFan · 26/05/2024 09:16

how old is house B?

B if you are ok with it taking over your life and you talking about nothing else for years and your kids will be ok with sleepovers/friends over in an unfinished house….

we lived in a renovation for 2 years, someone had been living there but basically moved out as couldn’t face, after 25 years of living there,the work needed to update it.

We had lath and plaster ceilings that needed boarding over, the plumbing pipes were too small so it needed all replacing as too gunged up to flush through, and all new radiators…

mowing lots of grass is boring and hard work. Robo mowers are good though. And gardening takes up a lot of time….

SoupDragon · 26/05/2024 09:19

I definitely wouldn't go for A. Busy Road and small garden would take that off the table for me.

house B all the way for me.

Aparecium · 26/05/2024 09:26

Until your update I would have said House A. It has what you need and like. But are you sure about compromising on the garden?

House B sounds wonderful, but you cannot take on a project unless both of you feel the passion for it.

CountryCob · 26/05/2024 11:08

My opinion having done a major live in renovation and owning land, which we use for horses. The end result of having the beautiful place is obviously lovely and rare. I personally wouldn't do B unless I had the budget as realistically it is going to mean living without a house which is serving your needs for quite some time - this is how I grew up in a now beautiful home my mother now lives with and enjoys. But it look decades and decades. Property B will absolutely take over your life and all your resources. Everything from the chimney sweep being multiple/ council tax/ all the bathrooms etc, large driveways to cover and the land should not be underestimated - it doesn't take care of itself. How is the fencing? Are the boundaries clear? How will you deal with local walkers coming in and maybe taking wood etc, the land for us has taken a lot in terms of strimming/ access and fencing/ weed and water management and fallen trees etc. Also check out how much insurance would be with the land. Sorry to be a downer and as I have said we have done this but we both are experienced in the property industries and farming as do our families with local connections which have been essential to getting the end result which depleted significant resources and costs much more to run than a standard house. Fencing and basic bramble management will run to the thousands initially if not already in place and cost hundreds afterwards and trespass is a constant threat. People seem to feel entitled to go onto private land unless they are totally prevented in a way that they would not welcome in their own homes.

LightsCameraBitchSmile · 26/05/2024 12:01

There are no footpaths on the property but I think the odd local walker cuts through the woods. They aren’t fenced at all. I’m not too worried about people using them to be honest.

Children won’t mind friends coming over to an unfinished house, and they have plenty of focus on them from both their parents as far as it’s possible to with full time jobs. We went through a lot to have children, we aren’t going to sideline them for a house. We’d get them involved where possible.

Crux of it is, we can’t afford it I guess, other than the bare bones. Agent said having reduced the price they won’t go much lower so there is no massive discount to be had at this stage. It was under offer for £50k over the current asking price just two months ago.

There is currently nothing else on RM that we’d even go and look at in our price range. A couple of lovely looking almost new builds but very built up estates and not to our slightly more rustic tastes.

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user1471538283 · 26/05/2024 12:12

Your heart sounds as if it's with property B but I thought to get a mortgage you had to have a useable bathroom? Maybe check that out before you go any further?

A full rewire of a big house is expensive.

If you can get a mortgage you could offer an appropriate amount based on the work that needs doing?

Rainbowshit · 26/05/2024 12:21

Having done a couple of big renovations with kids I would say no to house B.

Renovations took time and money that I now would rather have spent on the kids.

Also in the current uncertain inflationary climate we are feeling really strapped for cash as our building work went so far over budget.

seethingmess · 26/05/2024 12:23

Property B is not for someone like your DH who can't DIY. But it sounds like he knows that. Plus you'd be pouring all your money and time into an ugly house. It doesn't sound like the dream house to me.

CountryCob · 26/05/2024 12:26

@LightsCameraBitchSmile I don't think growing up in a house that needs work is necessarily bad for children or was for me but it is nicer to be in a house that isn't constantly waiting for another job to be attempted. The fencing would really worry me. It's a security issue in my mind but depends on how comfortable you are with that. Sounds like overall the plan is to carry on looking so best of luck with that.

Nosleepforthismum · 26/05/2024 13:19

My feeling is to go with property A.

We are on our third renovation and I’ve learnt that big projects (like property B) need huge amounts of upfront cash to even get the bare bones in a decent state. The one we are currently doing cost around 50k to get it in a worse state than when we bought it and will cost around another 70k to get it to a decent finish. That’s with a builder DH as well.

Trust me when I say, resentment will build when you are living in a building site with no luxuries or treats month after month because that £700 will seemingly vanish into thin air on a house like that.

AnotherEmma · 26/05/2024 13:24

Realistically you can't afford B and you don't need 6 bedrooms! I think you'd be mad to buy a property needing loads of work you can't afford. Not with 2 children and a niece who really needs you, by the sounds of it.

TemuSpecialBuy · 26/05/2024 13:25

10 years ago I’d have said B
Follow your dream, you’ll find a way to work it out blah blah.

Having done more than 1 reno myself, and knowing the cost and difficulty of tradespeople and how expensive materials are….
honestly I am not sure you can afford it….
And I mean the emotional as well as of not more than the financial costs.

anicecuppateaa · 26/05/2024 14:35

B but I love renovation projects and am a heart not head person when it comes to buying houses!

Makemydaypunk · 26/05/2024 14:55

You cannot afford house B, I see properties all the time I can afford to buy, but I can’t afford the £200k plus it would cost to renovate them, therefore I cannot afford the house. It’s not just the purchase price and huge renovation costs and trust me what you are seeing is only the surface of what will need doing to that house, once you start replacing the bathroom it will reveal untold other things that need fixing/repairing before you even think about putting in a cheap bathroom suite. Houses do not reveal the extent of what needs doing until you start the work. Apart from the huge renovations costs the cost of just running a house of that size with land will be expensive, can you afford the utilities, council tax, heating a house comfortably that size? I would be surprised if the mortgage company actually offers you a mortgage on the place once they have done the survey and assessed your affordability costs.

Baxdream · 26/05/2024 15:00

I've done two renovations in the last 8 years. I wouldn't do one at the moment. Prices are expensive!
House B sounds like a money pit. I'd go for house A

SirSidneyRuffDiamond · 26/05/2024 15:03

I would wait until you are proceedable and then, if house B is still on the market, I would go in with a low offer. The agent may well be saying the owners will not go lower but if there are no offers on the table and the previous higher offer fell through you really have nothing to lose.

chocolatecoveredpeanut · 26/05/2024 15:03

I wouldn't do anything you need builders for - they simply don't turn up for jobs any more, so if you are relying on them for big jobs it's not really an option. They also charge a lot more than you're probably expecting since Brexit.

Go for the one with less jobs to do and save yourself the price of half of another house.

chocolatecoveredpeanut · 26/05/2024 15:05

Just the rewiring of my 4 bed cost £15k
Boiler replacement £5k (no radiators needed)
Quoted £140k for an extension appx 10sq meters

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