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Which property and cost of renovations? Is it worth it?

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LightsCameraBitchSmile · 25/05/2024 13:40

We've had an awful time of it with house buying. We've had two sales collapse - one where we were gazumped and the price went stupidly high, and another where the sellers just changed their mind. We were gutted as spent a fair bit on both and lost our buyers after the second one.

We are now in a state of confusion and there are two properties we like and they are very different. We have an offer from a buyer who hasn't sold theirs yet, and we are continuing to market ours in the meantime but we have five viewings this weekend, and we know they have six viewings on theirs so we are hopeful something goes our way soon! Ours is a three bedroom terraced property and we desperately need more space as we both work from home FT now and ideally also want four bedrooms too as we have three DC living with us (one might not be long term, they aren't our child). Plus storage. Boy do we need storage space!

Property A we really like. It isn't quite as good for us as the one we just lost. Inside is lovely but it is on a very busy road. It's a semi-detached four bedroom house, garden isn't overlooked other than by the neighbour but is quite small and the traffic noise is a worry, but more so at rush hour when we wouldn't be outside anyway. House inside needs no work at all, it's immaculate and while not 100% our taste we'd happily move in right away. It's in our budget and offers the space we need as it has both a big kitchen/diner and a separate dining room we can use as an office.

Property B I love, DH is less keen because it is a complete renovation project. It feels like a big step up the property ladder and the sort of property we could only dream of owning. It's detached, set in 2 acres of land (mostly wooded) and has 6 bedrooms and 4 reception rooms. No main road nearby, very peaceful. It is also a complete state. Nobody has lived there for three years. It's been reduced and now, at the very top of our budget, we could, just about, stretch to buy it.

Structurally the main house is sound. The roof is okay, windows are double glazed and mostly okay (two are blown). It was under offer and had a survey done on it in April but the buyer pulled out for reasons unrelated to the property. It needs rewiring. The boiler probably needs replacing but has been tested and works. An extension that was added on probably needs demolishing (it's a timber extension added to the brick house but looks like a giant rotten shed). All the carpet needs replacing, it's got three bathrooms that need replacing, the kitchen is old fashioned but functional, there is brown wallpaper on every wall. But it is bright, warm, doesn't smell. It's probably the ugliest house you'll ever see but doesn't need kerb appeal as it can't be seen from the road!

If we brought it we would have so little money left, we'd have to do the work slowly and a lot of it ourselves. I'm fairly practical, DH less so. We could cover the mortgage and still save a bit each month as long as we both stay in our current jobs. The mortgage is a stretch but we think we'd be able to save £700/month if we don't do expensive holidays or eat out (both of which we do spend on at the moment). We have a DIP already via a mortgage broker we were dealing with on our last purchase, that would allow us to buy it. Just.

After buying it and fees, we would have about £20,000 left. I think we should be able to get the rewiring and one bathroom done for that (just the most basic bathroom suite you can get, doing the tiling ourselves which I've done before). But that's it. We'd be living in a mostly empty, ugly cavernous house decorated in brown and orange throughout, but at least storage space wouldn't be an issue. To be fair we aren't immaculate new build types. In time we'd want to reconfigure the layout, new kitchen, knock down the weird timber thing plus all the other niceties. I'm happy to look at it as a 10 year project. DH less so. It's the sort of house we could never in a million years afford normally.

What option would you go for? Are we being unrealistic about renovations?

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ACynicalDad · 25/05/2024 14:19

I’d do house 2, rewire first, blitz it with cheap paint, then do the rest slowly.

EllieQ · 25/05/2024 14:21

Property B sounds amazing, but as though it could be a complete money pit. Stretching yourself to the top of your mortgage budget and only having £20k for the essential rewiring and bathroom replacement could be risky. If it’s been empty for three years, there could be lots of hidden problems that would need to be dealt with urgently.

My experience of doing two minor renovations to our small terraced house (small extension to kitchen; new bathroom) is that both cost more than the initial estimates, and they were both pre-Covid and the cost of living increases. I expect they’d cost more now.

You don’t say anything about location beyond being near/ far from a road. Are they in the same area? Property B sounds rural - is it the kind of place where you have to drive everywhere? How old are the children, as teens will want more independence and that can be awkward if you have to drive them everywhere.

Bluestarling · 25/05/2024 14:28

So DH is less keen on house B, less practical and less happy about a 10 year project...? I don't know... l could see trouble brewing if you're not both fully invested, and also stretching yourselves financially a little

SwingVote · 25/05/2024 14:28

I would go for B. Question my sanity for the next half decade but would like to think it would be worth it in the end.

We just did that. Not the scale of yours but it’s been a full Reno.

One thing to consider is the 2 acres. Our garden is tiny and we are professional gardeners with all the kit. That’s been a Bain of our lives and depressing to look at the state as our time and money have been consumed by the house.

You will need an exceptionally strong marriage also I reckon. There will be times when it really does get on top of you.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 25/05/2024 14:31

I would only buy a house that needed a lot of work if DH and I were both equally excited and committed .

Persipan · 25/05/2024 14:39

I'd go for B because I am an idiot. I really cannot overstate how much my property-buying leans towards the absolutely deranged and how shocking an example I am. If you, too, are ruled almost entirely by a complete indifference towards any house that isn't mad as a bag of spanners then go for B!

Sillystrumpet · 25/05/2024 14:42

B. I bought b. My husband was also less keen. 10 years on and it’s a beaut and I’ve enjoyed every moment of it.

check it really does need a rewire. It’s not that common, unless scorch marks, flickering lights etc, it won’t need one, just likely a new rcd unit.

Jmaho · 25/05/2024 15:02

If you went for B where will the money come from to do the works? I know you say you'll do it bit by bit but still, the money needs to come from somewhere. If you're already stretching to max mortgage?

Richtea67 · 25/05/2024 15:11

Without a shadow of a doubt I'd go A. Even if you do the work yourself materials are ridiculously expensive, and there's only so much you'll be able to do yourself. And there will be unexpected things in a property like this. If your DH isn't keen this will cause a huge amount of stress. Don't underestimate the value of an easy life!

DrySherry · 25/05/2024 15:25

B sounds too much of a stretch, there's always costs you haven't taken into consideration with that kind of home. I would go with A
Unless of course you make a cheeky low offer on B and it gets accepted ! Might be worth a try.

Sillystrumpet · 25/05/2024 15:26

Richtea67 · 25/05/2024 15:11

Without a shadow of a doubt I'd go A. Even if you do the work yourself materials are ridiculously expensive, and there's only so much you'll be able to do yourself. And there will be unexpected things in a property like this. If your DH isn't keen this will cause a huge amount of stress. Don't underestimate the value of an easy life!

Yeah but 20k goes a long way.

boiler you can get from someone like British Gas , pay monthly zero interest, 50 quid a month.
highly unlikely she needs a full rewire, 700 quid prob for a new rcd.
Carpets she can rip up, hire a sander and sand the floors upstairs, also down if it’s floorboards. Otherwise clean carpets and shove some big rugs down.
buy some paint, 20 odd quid and you’ve got dulux white , 7 litres. She’s handy so she can paint some rooms. Even with colours she’s looking at 5o quid a room.ones weekend.

its all doable.

Sunnyside4 · 25/05/2024 16:13

Neither would be for me. Even if you have a buyer by the end of next week, you have a week or two to find somewhere else, so I'd hold out and hope. Once you have an offer, it always feels like there's pressure to move immediately, but would your present property be ok for a few more months over what you're considering?

bellamountain · 25/05/2024 20:03

How long has property B been on the market? Is there a chance you could offer a fair bit under?

Saschka · 25/05/2024 21:08

Avoid B - you already know it needs rewiring and a new boiler and bathroom. There will be more stuff you find on the survey, and likely more again as you start to renovate. This is going to be an absolute money pit. It’s also going to cost a fortune to maintain day to day - two acres is massive, it will cost more to heat, etc.

Twiglets1 · 25/05/2024 22:13

Property B sounds like a money pit & you don’t need that many bedrooms especially as soon losing one of the adults in your household.

If you’re not sure about property A, I would keep looking.

AnotherEmma · 25/05/2024 22:16

Neither. Keep looking.

LightsCameraBitchSmile · 26/05/2024 08:08

Thanks for the replies. No clear consensus and we are driving ourselves nuts going round in circles on this! To answer a few questions:

Children are 7, 10 and 14. The 14 isn’t ours but has been with us three years and is our niece. Even if she returns to her mother, I would want to keep a room for her.

Both houses are within 10 mins of each other and what I’d say is semi-rural/edge of village. One is on a main road, the other down a country lane (off the same main road) and then down a long track. We like the rural feel.

The garden of house B is a sensible size and entirely lawn. No planted borders at all. The majority of the land is woodland. Even though it’s been empty they’ve had someone in to cut the lawn regularly and it’s immaculate. I’d love to do some gardening and it would allow me to do that. House A has a very small garden mainly laid to patio. My current garden is tiny.

Me and DH have what I’d say is a pretty rock solid marriage. We’ve been together since our late teens and are now in late 40s. Married 25 years. Been through trying times like fertility treatment and some pretty stressful situations at times. We are a genuine team. When I say he is less keen, he’s not totally opposed to it. He’d rather get the ready done house so we weren’t tied to a life of DIY or stretched so much on a mortgage. He doesn’t see why we need something that big, but does like the setting.

He isn’t practical DIY wise but is good at straight up manual labour so stripping wallpaper etc. He’s also good at painting. He wouldn’t be able to fit a kitchen or put up shelves. Nothing that requires a power tool. Or screwdriver even…

We’ve been told it needs a full rewire and the bathrooms are almost unusable hence saying we’d do one right away.

We’d have to save over a period of time to do the rest, and do what we can ourselves. The mortgage would stretch us but we’d divert the £700/month we save into our holiday account to house stuff. We’ve accounted for this saving as part of our outgoings so even with the mortgage stretch it still exists. It just wouldn’t go very far! We have no family who could help either financially or practically, our entire adult family is just the two of us plus my sister in law (who definitely can’t help in anyway).

We are both in FT work and on high salaries but I do worry that won’t last forever. The mortgage for Property B traps us in full time quite stressful jobs for as long as we live there. That scares me. It’s three times our current mortgage.

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SummerSupFish · 26/05/2024 08:16

Don’t go for B you just end up living to fund the house not living for you. My folk bought a huge do upper err we never saw much of our dad as he was always working in it every evening and weekend then by the time (10yrs) it was “finished” we were all leaving home and they were by themselves in a big empty house. The only main benefit was they sold it to fund their retirement BUT they were younger than it sounds you are. Find a better balance between living and house, maybe you need that third property to come along??

SummerSupFish · 26/05/2024 08:17

Also personally as menopause has hit me from mid-40s onwards I’ve reduced my hours and stress at work earning less just to feel human. It’s the unforeseen health issues that start to creep in your 50s that impact your finances more.

SummerSupFish · 26/05/2024 08:19

Forgot to say we too ended up with the “third house” we tried to buy and it took us a year to move. But in hindsight im so so glad the second house fell through as it too would have been a money pit of work.

DoublePeonies · 26/05/2024 08:28

I don't think you can afford B, unless you can get a massive, massive amount if the advertised price.

Gladespade · 26/05/2024 08:32

I don’t think you should get either. B sounds potentially fabulous but too much of a stretch and a very busy road would be a no too. Given that you don’t have a firm offer I would be waiting to see if anything else came up.

Jeezitneverends · 26/05/2024 08:49

i wouldn’t touch B due to the age of your children-you need to focus on them, not a house renovation on the scale you’re talking about this. I come at this from having not long finished (haha) a full renovation-almost back to brick- with an adult child.

Renovations aren’t the cheap passport to a “fabulous house you couldn’t otherwise afford” that they used to be . Materials are horrendously expensive, and tradesmen even more so…no matter how DIY you are, you’ll still need some trades…

Sillystrumpet · 26/05/2024 08:53

Jeezitneverends · 26/05/2024 08:49

i wouldn’t touch B due to the age of your children-you need to focus on them, not a house renovation on the scale you’re talking about this. I come at this from having not long finished (haha) a full renovation-almost back to brick- with an adult child.

Renovations aren’t the cheap passport to a “fabulous house you couldn’t otherwise afford” that they used to be . Materials are horrendously expensive, and tradesmen even more so…no matter how DIY you are, you’ll still need some trades…

She needs to focus on the children? Bloody hell. She can do stuff at a steady pace as money allows and still focus on her kids.

Jeezitneverends · 26/05/2024 08:59

@Sillystrumpet I’m going by my own Reno experience and the headspace it took up-no way I could have done it with young children

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