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Vendor doing work on house without telling us after accepting our offer?! What to do?

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Periodpropertyfan · 15/09/2023 08:40

We viewed a Victorian house that was back on the market (due to previous buyers pulling out because of concerns about damp), in late May. There were lots of viewings but eventually it was between us and another buyer, both interested. The estate agent also mentioned that due to the previous offer falling through due to damp, the vendor was planning to do some work (damp proof courses and replastering) to address this, meaning we shouldn't need to reduce our offer due to damp. We'd rather have done the work ourselves but didn't feel we could insist on this, as the vendor was quite possibly not going to go with our offer anyway. We were told the work had started and was ongoing, but weren't given any details of the work.

The estate agent told us the vendor was ideally looking for a cash buyer, which we're not, so if we wanted to put an offer in, it would need to be at asking price for us to be in with a chance, so we reluctantly put in an offer at full asking price, at the start of June. Our offer was rejected anyway, as we were told the vendor preferred the other buyers, who were cash buyers.

We stayed in touch, and in early July, we were told that the other buyers were pulling out, as 'they couldn't get a mortgage'! So clearly not cash buyers. 🙄We were then asked if we wanted to go ahead with our original offer, and reasoning that we could renegotiate after survey, we said yes.

We were concerned about the damp and any other structural issues, given the history with this property and the fact it was a period property, so instructed a surveyor that specialises in period properties. The survey identified a number of quite concerning things re damp, not least (as we suspected) that the work the vendor is doing supposedly to rectify the damp is instead likely to be making it much worse, and he observed the decorators in situ painting over damp plaster, that clearly has not had time to dry out. They are using modern waterproof paints and cements that are in effect damaging the fabric of the property.

I went back to the estate agent and queried this - the estate agent we've been dealing with, who'd given us little info, is on holiday and a more helpful colleague has now belatedly sent us a load of info about the damp work, including dated contracts. This shows that the work wasn't even agreed until a week AFTER our offer had been accepted - am furious that in that case, they didn't think to check with us, before starting on a massive programme of very invasive work. To clarify, they are installing a chemical damp proof course and replastering all walls on a 30 foot lounge and another 12 foot lounge, so removing this and redoing it would be a huge and very messy job and would mean we couldn't move in for months.

While we could just live with it and hope the work doesn't actually cause further damp, I have a serious mould allergy and would literally be disabled by living anywhere with a damp problem, so that's not an option I'm very comfortable with.

Don't really know what to do - we could obviously go back and reduce our offer, but get that the vendor is not going to be thrilled at taking off money to rectify work they are currently paying for! The estate agents swear that the work is high quality and guaranteed so there shouldn't be an issue; they even say they've used the firm on their own properties. Which may well be true - it doesn't change the fact that it's not suitable for a Victorian house, not what we would want and was started after our offer was accepted without checking with us or even telling us!

Any thoughts on how best to respond? We do like the house and there's nothing else out there currently that we prefer. And we've spent quite a bit on surveyors/solicitors so far. But what originally looked like a house that was ready to move in to is now anything but - in addition to the damp work, the current owner also covered the house in plastic paint and installed a new drive blocking the ventilation, so we are going to have spend ££ to basically undo everything they've done to the house in the last decade. Such a shame, as it's a really attractive period property, but owned by someone with no understanding of period properties, who never even lived in it (US-based).

Sorry for the long post, but trying not to dripfeed. Thanks for all advice.

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CrackedChina · 15/09/2023 12:32

It sounds like the vendor is doing a quick fix to conceal and paint over the damp in the hope they can sell to a new buyer without them noticing it as an issue. They might be expecting you to pull out as you viewed before the repairs.

Periodpropertyfan · 15/09/2023 12:38

Monster80 · 15/09/2023 11:55

Hmmmm. You should pull out - no discount they could offer would work if you have a mould allergy and an historically damp house - but you’ve known this since the beginning of your purchase? Having sold quite a few houses, your post reads as ‘I want a giant discount before exchange of contracts based on facts I’ve had since the first viewing’. If I were the vendor I’d drop you and relist the property. Victorian properties have been about for many decades, so spending £££ to fix things is precisely how that works. Are you a first buyer?

Can't be othered to list all the inaccuracies in your post.

No, we didn't have all the info from the start. The estate agents have deliberately hidden stuff from us.

I wasn't looking for a giant discount or indeed any discount, had the house indeed been in the condition we were led to believe.

The vendor is welcome to drop us and find another buyer - we're only number 3 that have pulled out! 😂

Clearly in a falling market, a house with mistreated damp is going to go like hot cakes, no discount necessary, from an asking price that was set last year when the market was 5% higher!

You sound like a desperate property developer. Good luck with shifting your unsold albatrosses. 😂

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Periodpropertyfan · 15/09/2023 12:39

Canisaysomething · 15/09/2023 12:24

It's much easier to rectify damp issues than it is to rectify inappropriately installed remedial works. Definitely pull out.

Yes, my feeling too.

Wasn't expecting quite such a clear consensus on this thread.

Really helpful everyone. Thank you all for taking the time to comment.

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Ohmylovejune · 15/09/2023 12:40

Pull out

justasking111 · 15/09/2023 12:47

Bodgit and scarper a saying here for covering up issues.

Cut your losses and withdraw. I daresay the EA are fed up with the vendors too.

Monster80 · 15/09/2023 12:52

Periodpropertyfan · 15/09/2023 12:38

Can't be othered to list all the inaccuracies in your post.

No, we didn't have all the info from the start. The estate agents have deliberately hidden stuff from us.

I wasn't looking for a giant discount or indeed any discount, had the house indeed been in the condition we were led to believe.

The vendor is welcome to drop us and find another buyer - we're only number 3 that have pulled out! 😂

Clearly in a falling market, a house with mistreated damp is going to go like hot cakes, no discount necessary, from an asking price that was set last year when the market was 5% higher!

You sound like a desperate property developer. Good luck with shifting your unsold albatrosses. 😂

Please promise to update the thread when this has played out? The above post also reads like 'I want a massive discount' and your comments seem to be those of an inexperienced first time buyer. Any property with a damp problem will have structural damage also. You knew when your offer was accepted that there was a damp problem and your accepted offer was conditional on there being no discount, but the work carried out instead - that's what your post says. Were you unaware of how damp proofing treatment is carried out? I understand the process so would have known from the outset what that entailed. Seems odd to me that you would proceed with a purchase of a property if you were uncomfortable with such a treatment. I'm not a property developer just someone who has bought and sold a number of period properties - for over a decade.

Gjendefloooo · 15/09/2023 12:54

While we could just live with it and hope the work doesn't actually cause further damp, I have a serious mould allergy and would literally be disabled by living anywhere with a damp problem, so that's not an option I'm very comfortable with

You shouldn't have offered on it in the first place.
Why would you do that, knowing you have a serious allergy?

Just pull out.

Monster80 · 15/09/2023 13:02

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Periodpropertyfan · 15/09/2023 13:07

Monster80 · 15/09/2023 12:52

Please promise to update the thread when this has played out? The above post also reads like 'I want a massive discount' and your comments seem to be those of an inexperienced first time buyer. Any property with a damp problem will have structural damage also. You knew when your offer was accepted that there was a damp problem and your accepted offer was conditional on there being no discount, but the work carried out instead - that's what your post says. Were you unaware of how damp proofing treatment is carried out? I understand the process so would have known from the outset what that entailed. Seems odd to me that you would proceed with a purchase of a property if you were uncomfortable with such a treatment. I'm not a property developer just someone who has bought and sold a number of period properties - for over a decade.

You seem to have reading difficulties. Go back and read the thread again - we we told the vendor had decided to damp proof the property long before our offer was accepted, and as such, we had zero option to express a view on it, much less forbid the owner to do the work (which you would know if you were as experienced as you claim to be).

The issue is that this isn't what happened at all. Instead, the vendor did no work on the property - until after they'd accepted our offer. But didn't bother to tell us that far from the work being nearly finished they were just about to commit to a huge programme of work that would take up to a year to dry out!

Our offer was not conditional on there being no discount - like all standard offers, it was, of course - subject to survey - as again, you would know if you actually were as experienced as you claim to be.

And the survey found lots of issues. Which is what one pays a surveyor to identify.

Maybe in your fantasy property developer world, people whose surveys reveal issues don't adjust their offers. In the real world, however, that is not what happens.

Make sure you have a lovely day, and don't hit your head on the bridge there!

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RedHelenB · 15/09/2023 13:08

Bruisername · 15/09/2023 08:44

I would pull out

This. It's not your house so you have no input into what they do with it other than decide whether to go ahead with the purchase or not.

Periodpropertyfan · 15/09/2023 13:08

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Periodpropertyfan · 15/09/2023 13:11

Gjendefloooo · 15/09/2023 12:54

While we could just live with it and hope the work doesn't actually cause further damp, I have a serious mould allergy and would literally be disabled by living anywhere with a damp problem, so that's not an option I'm very comfortable with

You shouldn't have offered on it in the first place.
Why would you do that, knowing you have a serious allergy?

Just pull out.

Because we were told the damp was limited, mild and easy to fix.

Which - it turns out - wasn't true in the first place. And is now considerably less true, after unsuitable work has been commenced.

I'm fine to buy somewhere with say some blocked guttering - an easy fix.

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allmyliesaretrue · 15/09/2023 13:16

Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

AllTheWeatherAllTheTime · 15/09/2023 13:22

The money you have spent so far on the survey has been spent wisely and served its purpose, which is to alert you to the fact that this house is going to be a nightmare. That isn't wasted money, that's what it's meant to do.

It's only wasted money if you then ignore the information you've paid for from the surveyor and barge on ahead anyway, meaning you need to sink even more cash and energy into said nightmare.

Finteq · 15/09/2023 13:24

Bruisername · 15/09/2023 08:44

I would pull out

Agree

KievLoverTwo · 15/09/2023 15:16

My god, people picking apart your rationale just O_O

Get a frickin' life.

I have M.E. caused by a long period of exposure to mould, way before I knew it can be harmful. You already know that mould would hospitalise you.

I fight this illness every single day; seven years on and it still rules my life. I haven't had a day when I feel well in all that time.

That's all you need to consider. 'Do I want to risk being permanently ill for a house.' You've already said the works they are doing means it won't dry out for up to a year.

The answer is no, you can't undo that year of waiting, so walk away.

SloppyJays · 15/09/2023 15:20

I have a serious mould allergy and would literally be disabled by living anywhere with a damp problem, so that's not an option I'm very comfortable with

Pull out. Mould caused DP serious health issues resulting in horrendous surgery and he now has health conditions which are life limiting.

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 15/09/2023 15:39

As someone who has now spent the best part of £7k on re-rendering a bad job, and damp coursing and re-plastering (from the brick outward) ONE room, I'd say pull out now.

1stTimeMummy2021 · 15/09/2023 16:03

@Periodpropertyfan If the dates were different we could have been one of the previous buyers as I was buying a victorian house and pulled out due to excessive damp issues and the owner undertaking work to "fix" it. It wasn't worth the headache. Now buying another period property which has been well looked after. I would pull out if I was you.

DuploTrain · 15/09/2023 16:09

Pull out. Especially if it’s been empty for a year.
Even if the damp was fixed (and it sounds like it won’t be) you would never have peace of mind that it wouldn’t return.

If you can’t relax totally and have peace of mind in your new house then what’s the point.

Monster80 · 15/09/2023 16:13

whyisitallsohard · 15/09/2023 12:09

also, why are you buying a house with damp? if you're paying asking price with something that causes health problem, then that's not smart

Estate agents value houses with condition in mind, so maybe OP can’t afford a house at ‘finished’ price, but now wants to negotiate a discount based on condition. It’s a class first time buyer mistake…

PinkRoses1245 · 15/09/2023 16:17

Walk right away, and buy a more modern property. Don't understand why anyone wants to hassle of a period property.

thinkfast · 15/09/2023 16:54

If you love the property, ask the agents of the vendor is prepared to cease the inappropriate works and restore the house to its condition prior to the works. Tell the agents your surveyor has advised this (assuming that's correct), that it's a dealbreaker for you; and that you are furious that you were lied to about when the works were contracted for.

CountryCob · 15/09/2023 17:00

I think it is unusual to start work on house after offer accepted but from the vendor's perspective they might not think you will buy. They can do anything they want at the moment with the property as they still own it. Sounds like your offer hasn't been taken that seriously. Also sounds like a modern construction property is what you need. Could be 1950s doesn't need to be new build but something with a cavity wall and different foundations. Victorian properties are often built directly on ground virtually with little underfloor venting. Their walls are different to modern houses.