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Vendor doing work on house without telling us after accepting our offer?! What to do?

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Periodpropertyfan · 15/09/2023 08:40

We viewed a Victorian house that was back on the market (due to previous buyers pulling out because of concerns about damp), in late May. There were lots of viewings but eventually it was between us and another buyer, both interested. The estate agent also mentioned that due to the previous offer falling through due to damp, the vendor was planning to do some work (damp proof courses and replastering) to address this, meaning we shouldn't need to reduce our offer due to damp. We'd rather have done the work ourselves but didn't feel we could insist on this, as the vendor was quite possibly not going to go with our offer anyway. We were told the work had started and was ongoing, but weren't given any details of the work.

The estate agent told us the vendor was ideally looking for a cash buyer, which we're not, so if we wanted to put an offer in, it would need to be at asking price for us to be in with a chance, so we reluctantly put in an offer at full asking price, at the start of June. Our offer was rejected anyway, as we were told the vendor preferred the other buyers, who were cash buyers.

We stayed in touch, and in early July, we were told that the other buyers were pulling out, as 'they couldn't get a mortgage'! So clearly not cash buyers. 🙄We were then asked if we wanted to go ahead with our original offer, and reasoning that we could renegotiate after survey, we said yes.

We were concerned about the damp and any other structural issues, given the history with this property and the fact it was a period property, so instructed a surveyor that specialises in period properties. The survey identified a number of quite concerning things re damp, not least (as we suspected) that the work the vendor is doing supposedly to rectify the damp is instead likely to be making it much worse, and he observed the decorators in situ painting over damp plaster, that clearly has not had time to dry out. They are using modern waterproof paints and cements that are in effect damaging the fabric of the property.

I went back to the estate agent and queried this - the estate agent we've been dealing with, who'd given us little info, is on holiday and a more helpful colleague has now belatedly sent us a load of info about the damp work, including dated contracts. This shows that the work wasn't even agreed until a week AFTER our offer had been accepted - am furious that in that case, they didn't think to check with us, before starting on a massive programme of very invasive work. To clarify, they are installing a chemical damp proof course and replastering all walls on a 30 foot lounge and another 12 foot lounge, so removing this and redoing it would be a huge and very messy job and would mean we couldn't move in for months.

While we could just live with it and hope the work doesn't actually cause further damp, I have a serious mould allergy and would literally be disabled by living anywhere with a damp problem, so that's not an option I'm very comfortable with.

Don't really know what to do - we could obviously go back and reduce our offer, but get that the vendor is not going to be thrilled at taking off money to rectify work they are currently paying for! The estate agents swear that the work is high quality and guaranteed so there shouldn't be an issue; they even say they've used the firm on their own properties. Which may well be true - it doesn't change the fact that it's not suitable for a Victorian house, not what we would want and was started after our offer was accepted without checking with us or even telling us!

Any thoughts on how best to respond? We do like the house and there's nothing else out there currently that we prefer. And we've spent quite a bit on surveyors/solicitors so far. But what originally looked like a house that was ready to move in to is now anything but - in addition to the damp work, the current owner also covered the house in plastic paint and installed a new drive blocking the ventilation, so we are going to have spend ££ to basically undo everything they've done to the house in the last decade. Such a shame, as it's a really attractive period property, but owned by someone with no understanding of period properties, who never even lived in it (US-based).

Sorry for the long post, but trying not to dripfeed. Thanks for all advice.

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caringcarer · 15/09/2023 10:09

Pull out. If they are not sorting out the damp with a firm who specialises in period properties it will still be damp. Also good damp firms guarantee their work for 10 years or more.

friendlycat · 15/09/2023 10:15

This doesn't sound the house for you sadly.

Also it's a tricky situation in that the vendor still owns the house and can obviously instruct whomever they wish to undertake any work without consulting you. You may, or you may not, go onto purchase the property so whilst they still own it it's their responsibility and their decision to make as to who to employ to do the work.

Often the reason why it's better to negotiate a reduction in purchase price that then allows the new owners to carry out the work to their satisfaction and with the tradespeople they would prefer.

All in all it sounds as though the EA is handling this on behalf of the surveyor and just sending in their own damp company that they use - normally the type who tank the walls with the chemical damp proof course irrespective of whether this will work or not.

Leggytigberk · 15/09/2023 10:17

I would not want to do any deal with people who make things so complicated. The original problems could have been sorted long ago, it would have cost money but it was solvable.
Instead it has dragged on and will take up a lot of your time thinking, research and planning before the work starts.
Walk.

Hedgehodge · 15/09/2023 10:18

Just to add, if you’re reluctant to pull out because of the amount you have put in so far, you will be throwing away a lot more money at these issues if you do buy it.

whyisitallsohard · 15/09/2023 10:23

It sounds like they might be staying in the house. Why do work for the “benefit” of buyers? Maybe they were just testing the market. You’re not in a helpless position. Just tell them you want to know what the work are, they need to stop or restored, you want to view what’s been done (then make a decision on that). Personally, I think this is bizarre and hints a non-serious seller. Tell the EA your concerns, they will agree with you because it’s illogical and they will bring in less buyers for them in the future, so a win for you.

Tinysoxxx · 15/09/2023 10:28

The other buyers may not have been able to get a mortgage because of the damp issues.

ScattyHattie · 15/09/2023 10:33

I'd walk away and look for something else, don't fall into sunk cost fallacy trap over fees & time. It has money pit vibes and if your health is affected (apart from other problems) it could reduce earning potential to even be able to rectify problems or move in future.

If the period property expert thinks the damp proof work will actually be bad for the fabric of the building in the long term along with issues of plastic paint & drive blocking ventilation then this company don't seem like experts. It will cost a hell of a lot more money if have to correct it all, plus there is often more waiting to discovered after moving in because the surveyors are quite limited to what they can easily see and can't be too intrusive on buildings you don't own.

SayNoToDoorToDoor · 15/09/2023 10:36

Pull out. This is not going to be your happy ever after house, this is going to give you headaches and heartaches and lose you more money than you planned.

Better to cut your losses now.

kirinm · 15/09/2023 10:39

You have zero legal rights in terms of what they do or don't do until exchange. If you're not happy with the work being done, your options are to try and reduce the agreed price or walk away.

AllotmentTime · 15/09/2023 10:47

Mentally pull out. In real life, ask for another survey (from your surveyor) at their cost, because you want to reassure yourself that they are not devaluing the house by doing this unagreed work. Depending on what the surveyor says, drop your offer accordingly.

The sellers are unlikely to agree to this which is why you need to be mentally pulling out and detaching. But there's no harm in trying, rather than pulling out without knowing more.

AcclimDD · 15/09/2023 11:15

the vendor still owns the house and can obviously instruct whomever they wish to undertake any work without consulting you. You may, or you may not, go onto purchase the property so whilst they still own it it's their responsibility and their decision to make as to who to employ to do the work

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This.
Pull out.

Periodpropertyfan · 15/09/2023 11:26

caringcarer · 15/09/2023 10:09

Pull out. If they are not sorting out the damp with a firm who specialises in period properties it will still be damp. Also good damp firms guarantee their work for 10 years or more.

It is guaranteed for 10 years apparently. But I don't have a lot of confidence in the quality of the work nevertheless...

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Periodpropertyfan · 15/09/2023 11:28

Torganer · 15/09/2023 09:59

Definitely pull out. I would also advise against any Victorian or older property as your allergies are so bad, it’s not worth it.

I'm living in a period rental as we speak and have no allergies here. I grew up in a period house and never had a problem. Ironically, most of the worst mould issues we've suffered that have triggered my allergies have been in modern airtight boxes that can't breathe,

The age of the property is not the issue. The nature of the work that's been done to it is.

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Periodpropertyfan · 15/09/2023 11:29

Tinysoxxx · 15/09/2023 10:28

The other buyers may not have been able to get a mortgage because of the damp issues.

Yes, I did wonder if this was the case. I asked the estate agents and they said no - but do I trust what they say??

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Newestname002 · 15/09/2023 11:31

SayNoToDoorToDoor · 15/09/2023 10:36

Pull out. This is not going to be your happy ever after house, this is going to give you headaches and heartaches and lose you more money than you planned.

Better to cut your losses now.

Absolutely this. You really don't need to buy your way into what sounds like an expensive, long term/recurring problem- especially with your health issues. 🌹

Periodpropertyfan · 15/09/2023 11:32

whyisitallsohard · 15/09/2023 10:23

It sounds like they might be staying in the house. Why do work for the “benefit” of buyers? Maybe they were just testing the market. You’re not in a helpless position. Just tell them you want to know what the work are, they need to stop or restored, you want to view what’s been done (then make a decision on that). Personally, I think this is bizarre and hints a non-serious seller. Tell the EA your concerns, they will agree with you because it’s illogical and they will bring in less buyers for them in the future, so a win for you.

They're definitely not staying in the house. The owner never lived there - he rented it to a relative but he's US based. It's been empty since at least the end of last year so I do believe he does genuinely want a quick sale.

I think the problem is he's relying on the estate agents who are misadvising him.

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Jackydaytona · 15/09/2023 11:37

PULL OUT

friskybivalves · 15/09/2023 11:42

There's a great poster on here - @pigletjohn- who has very strong views on damp and the treatment of it. If he is around and could offer his thoughts, they would be worth considering!

Monster80 · 15/09/2023 11:55

Hmmmm. You should pull out - no discount they could offer would work if you have a mould allergy and an historically damp house - but you’ve known this since the beginning of your purchase? Having sold quite a few houses, your post reads as ‘I want a giant discount before exchange of contracts based on facts I’ve had since the first viewing’. If I were the vendor I’d drop you and relist the property. Victorian properties have been about for many decades, so spending £££ to fix things is precisely how that works. Are you a first buyer?

ThreeBearsPorridge · 15/09/2023 11:59

Pull out.

LolaSmiles · 15/09/2023 12:02

Agree with other posters to pull out.

The vendors have shown you can't trust them and I would always have the suspicion that they were coving up the issues, not rectifying them.

NoSquirrels · 15/09/2023 12:06

I’m also in the ‘just pull out’ camp.

It sounds like a money pit.

whyisitallsohard · 15/09/2023 12:09

also, why are you buying a house with damp? if you're paying asking price with something that causes health problem, then that's not smart

20cheeseomelette · 15/09/2023 12:21

Another saying pull out. Living with other people’s bodge jobs is always a nightmare. There will be a much better house.

Canisaysomething · 15/09/2023 12:24

It's much easier to rectify damp issues than it is to rectify inappropriately installed remedial works. Definitely pull out.

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