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londonmummy1966 · 20/07/2023 21:54

If it is based on census data then it needs to drill down more closely street by street. THere are swathes near me that are occupied by people earning significant 6 figure salaries and a number of estates of social housing and they are all coloured in the same in a very braodbrush approcah. The Booth map was much more nuanced than this seems to be.

CornedBeef451 · 20/07/2023 22:09

It's based on lower super output areas which are tiny chunks of space, possibly 1500 homes if I remember correctly.

It does mean some are odd as they cover a preset chunk and not all of them make sense.

Also some are much bigger than others due to housing density so that causes problems too.

AHugeTinyMistake · 20/07/2023 22:15

londonmummy1966 · 20/07/2023 21:54

If it is based on census data then it needs to drill down more closely street by street. THere are swathes near me that are occupied by people earning significant 6 figure salaries and a number of estates of social housing and they are all coloured in the same in a very braodbrush approcah. The Booth map was much more nuanced than this seems to be.

LSOAs are used in public data as it's fairly anonymous and the size of them means they are comparable across England.

'A street' is a pointless measure.

BadGranny · 20/07/2023 22:50

Some people don’t seem to get this. It isn’t about individual streets or houses. It’s about approx 1500 people, using data from census forms, grouped together in a conveniently compact locality. What is does show is that some people who think they live in a moderately well-off area are actually surrounded by people who are in some ways (health, education, income etc) deprived. When you start to link indices of deprivation with degrees of being ‘posh’, that’s just ignorance and snobbery.

Mirabai · 21/07/2023 08:08

What is does show is that some people who think they live in a moderately well-off area are actually surrounded by people who are in some ways (health, education, income etc) deprived.

No it doesn’t, that’s the point.

popoping · 21/07/2023 09:43

Mirabai · 21/07/2023 08:08

What is does show is that some people who think they live in a moderately well-off area are actually surrounded by people who are in some ways (health, education, income etc) deprived.

No it doesn’t, that’s the point.

When you live in London that's the case in pretty much anywhere.

GasPanic · 21/07/2023 10:50

AHugeTinyMistake · 20/07/2023 22:15

LSOAs are used in public data as it's fairly anonymous and the size of them means they are comparable across England.

'A street' is a pointless measure.

I understand why LSOAs are used.

What I find a bit more difficult is how when the LSOA is about 1500 that map seems to pick out some areas so well. Maybe its because the areas of different type are coincident with a different LSOA defined area. But I see in that map for example quite sharp divides that correspond to particular types of different housing in the areas I've looked at, and at 1500 person resolution I would expect to see more of a graded transition between "good" and "bad" areas.

Diyextension · 21/07/2023 11:23

There’s a council estate near us and it’s got blue and red on the same estate 🙄

BadGranny · 21/07/2023 11:37

Because it only takes a few people with chronic health conditions and low education levels living in a LPOA to make that area more ‘deprived’. Likewise, if there are a few healthy, well qualified people in an otherwise ‘deprived’ area, it can affect the output. After the 2001 census, the fact that there were two young families, healthy children parents with PhDs in owner occupied ex-social housing made one LPOA in an otherwise dark blue area turn red.

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