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Maybe useful

https://mapmaker.cdrc.ac.uk/#/index-of-multiple-deprivation?m=imdh19_dc&lon=-0.4177&lat=51.2526&zoom=9.2

I'm posh but I knew that.

I'm a bit baffled by my neighbourhood in central London. Where does the data come from?

Most of the area is in the 3rd-5th decile with a few bits of blue. There's no social housing, not an elderly population, only a few professional sharers. Rent starts at £2.5k a month for a flat, there's not much under a million if you want to buy. There's a little blue island of one street in the 8th decile where the houses cost 10 million and there are at least 2 billionaires living there. If they are in the 8th decile for deprivation, who is in the top decile? 😂 Maybe it's because a lot of residents don't have any income declared in the UK legitimately or not and they aren't permaent residents so the data comes from their household staff's wages (who live there all year round) and probably have very little education. The very swanky waterside development is all marked as being in the 3rd decile, the same as a nearby very deprived huge council estate with gang issues.

It doesn't factor in housing wealth I believe.

Billionaires may be non dom and may not appear on census data.

There are always going to be weird anomalies due to certain demographics.

I've looked at 5 places I live or have lived in, and it got the deprived areas pretty much spot on, even down to the individual roads.

There's pretty much no reason why it wouldn't if it is going off census data.

If you look at Notting Hill and Kensington you can see how wonky the whole thing is.

Spot on for Rutland I’d say.

Laughing as a couple of streets near me have house prices starting at £2m are mainly occupied by Oxbridge educated city types or architects and are orange.....

LSOAs are population areas of about 1500 people

So pointing out 'this street is wrong' 'these houses are mega rich' misses the point

IMD data is very interesting, I use it a lot in my job

I grew up in a 10% least deprived area and I live in a 10% most deprived area. Funny how life works 🤣

I use this data for work from time to time. It's based on actual data, there's no real "that's correct, that's not correct" about it..
There may be a lag in the data being collated, but the raw income, health, employment, housing etc data is what it is.
I suppose the interpretation that the OP is trying to make, is how "least deprived" relates to "posh".

Top fact - in the 2000 version of this data (it's not renewed very often) the most and least deprived wards in England are 4 miles apart in Sheffield. I don't think they've moved much.

2019 English Indices of Deprivation Report for those interested

Not accurate at all for the very local area I'm in in the SE. In fact almost totally arse about face. We found it 'amusing' that a couple of our friends children had contextual offers for Uni based on the 'deprivation' in their local postcode despite running their own businesses and living in million pound plus properties. The local primary school certainly has a different, wider, demographic intake but those families don't live next to the school. I suppose there has to be a marker somehow, but yeah, I can see, it's not accurate here.

Not dissimilar here, they have most of our large village in the least deprived area and the section of the village with arguably the most expensive detached houses with the largest plots as a couple of levels down. The only other area in the same shade is the council housing. I wonder what they decided this on, would be interesting to find out.

I live in ‘most deprived ‘ 😂

I've always noticed that in most towns and cities the poorer areas are to the north and richer areas to the south. This follows the pattern too.Anyone got any explanations for this? I've always wondered.

It's not based on wealth, it's a much more holistic view of what factors contribute to someone's wellbeing.

Others have provided detail on what IMD measures, but living in a £million house, when you're breathing in traffic fumes all day and waiting 4 weeks for a GP appointment does not make you advantaged.

Of course it is more nuanced, I do understand, although neither of the two additional factors you quoted are relevant here either. I suppose it's difficult to be very specific, and in the SE it is probably very much much like certain parts of London - the most deprived areas can be literally a few metres from the least deprived, and a line has to be drawn somewhere. I do understand, just looks silly when you are very familiar with the very local demographic.

Absolutely spot on for my area, and pretty much the rest of the city (my job means I deal with people from all parts of the city)

Pretty accurate for all around our area.

I will admit, as someone who works with this data, London does have some very odd characteristics!

I use this data for work from time to time. It's based on actual data, there's no real "that's correct, that's not correct" about it..
There may be a lag in the data being collated, but the raw income, health, employment, housing etc data is what it is.

It absolutely is not correct for my neighbourhood. Although I suspect it is a case of poor data not reflecting reality or lack of data. There are a lot of non-doms so that may be skewing the data, lots of second homes, the area seems to be split into very small areas on the map (sometimes just a single square of 40 houses) so very small sample sizes, much less than 1500. There is an infux of health tourists in the summer who come for medical treatment, so maybe that skewed the data. If the map is based on the last census, there was no one here as everyone had fled to the country or back home abroad during the pandemic, so that could be it 😂

If I look at street check (based on the 2011 census), if I put in the streets that are classified as on the 3rd decile on the map they are showing on streetcheck as 65% degree educated, mostly professional jobs/AB, no social housing of any kind, mostly aged between 30-60 plus kids, 81% of the popuation rated their health as good or very good... Exactly the same as the area next to it that is in the 8th decile on the map. The 2011 stats describe the area far more acurately than "deprived" 😂I suppose crime is above average because it's Central London and the air quality is poor but that is true for the whole area, services are the same for everybody...

@FpTr3952fHp I vaguely remember from geography that the direction of prevailing winds and the direction of river flow influence how cities grow. The wealthy moved away from areas downwind and downstream of pollution, leaving the poor behind. I have a feeling it was often the east of cities that were the poorest.

It's from census data.
They do it every 4 years.

It also gos both ways... so 1-10 most deprived areas ... 10 - 1 least deprived

This.

It's demographic data though... Not all based on your mate. 🤷🏻‍♀️

In industrial areas of cities and towns, the air quality in the south west was better because the prevailing winds in the UK blow the pollution from industrial chimneys and factories away from the south west to the north east. So the Victorian industrialists and factory owners built their big houses on the south west of cities, and the areas around the factories that were built up with small terraced houses for the factory workers. Nowadays, most of the industrial pollution has gone, but better-off people still live in the bigger houses with nice gardens and those who are less well off live in small terraces.