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What moment did you realise it was time to move out of London?

214 replies

Queeva · 12/06/2023 20:34

Did you have a particular moment where you realised you'd fallen out of love with the city?

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LadyLapsang · 12/06/2023 22:18

No, I still think London is a great city. I was born in central London and apart from four years, have lived here all my life.

I was discussing this with one of my neighbours yesterday, she is mid 80s. Good public transport and international airports / connections, lots of high quality jobs, the best educated cohort in the country (people move to a London for their career), great cultural offer, high quality restaurants, not isolated, good healthcare if you have the money / private health insurance / wherewithal to get past the NHS GP service which has really deteriorated - we now have a five GP private practice as near as the five GP NHS practice, which shows how bad things have got.

TookTheBook · 12/06/2023 22:24

When we were paying (high) London rent but not really enjoying London proper - because we had two small children and hardly ever travelled into central London. It was like paying high rent to live in a suburban town in the area of South London we lived. Also the local primary school was huge, 4 form entry. We moved to a smaller city before our eldest started school. But we still visit when we can. I love London.

crackfoxy · 12/06/2023 22:31

LemonLimeDivine · 12/06/2023 20:40

Working in the emergency services did it for me. I love to still visit London and I still have family there but no way did I want to raise my children there. Happily living in the countryside now.

Ditto!

lentin · 12/06/2023 22:35

I grew up in London and DH moved here as a graduate from overseas. We're both on the same page about wanting to stay in London. I don't think I see it any differently as a London native than DH. I'm fortunate that I got a zone 1 council flat at a young age and my council were decent landlords, so never had any issues with renting. Then when DH and I got married we were able to buy it and move up the property ladder, and as he is a high earner we were able to trade up to a 4 bed house in zone 2. So house prices have never been something to motivate us to leave (although we could get a mansion elsewhere- but we don't want a mansion, and our house meets our family's needs just fine).

I've never had particularly negative experiences of crime here and we make use of all the cultural on offer so we would miss out on a lot if we left. Most people I know who have left never really did much in terms of socialising or hobbies, that couldn't be found in smaller towns so it made more sense for them to leave.

troubg · 12/06/2023 22:36

Everything on your doorstep and rarely need to get in the car - something to do 24 hours a day if you wanted to do so.

This is true for central parts but many parts there isn't much on your doorstep & a car does make things easier.

troubg · 12/06/2023 22:37

What I really want to know is before I move out, is there an area of London I might have accidentally overlooked which is an absolute hidden gem and still ticks the old boxes?

What are your wants?

JeandeServiette · 12/06/2023 22:38

Seeleyboo · 12/06/2023 22:08

When someone cut my cats head off and threw her into my garden. That was it for me.

Gosh. I'm so sorry. That's indescribably cruel.

rockingbird · 12/06/2023 22:43

We got married, had children and then looked at the potential schools and decided it was time to move to the coast.. that was 12 years ago and after the initial shock of the convenience of London life wore off I grew to love the seaside! Kids had no issues with getting into the right schools, we have beaches on our doorstep and a much bigger house. Now when I go back to London (on the odd occasion for work meetings) I realise how dirty and congested it is. I couldn't imagine being anywhere else now. Fortunately we moved before the masses turned up and house prices where cheap.. now it wouldn't even be an option.

troubg · 12/06/2023 22:44

I've not left London & unlikely to as DH & I are born & raised. What I dislike though is the traffic everywhere, worry about pollution & I see how lots of communities have been changed by getting priced out etc. It's not the London of my youth.

YukoandHiro · 12/06/2023 22:45

Hasn't happened for us and don't think it will. The only places I'd move to are Hove or central Oxford but they are no cheaper so no point making the sacrifice right now.
I grew up in the countryside though. I hated it and my parents lived shadow lives at the weekend ferrying me around. Not going through that!

YukoandHiro · 12/06/2023 22:46

areyouhavinglaugh · 12/06/2023 21:18

When a very young girl was killed and hidden within metres of our house!

Lovely home, nice area 😬 and good schools .. couldn't wait to get away after that

That's not a London specific thing. That could happen anywhere!

WheresSpring · 12/06/2023 22:47

Eldest dc who was 6 got knocked over (by accident) in the playground of his MASSIVE (4 class entry) but very good primary….after that he would stand and chat with staff at break times…there were too many people in a small concrete & tarmac space for him to feel safe to play. We moved out that summer - he was also asthmatic in London….never had an issue since (very definitely a pollution problem).

sweetkitty · 12/06/2023 22:52

When DD1 was born and we realised we could move back to Scotland afford a house instead of a tiny flat and I could give up work and look after her instead of her being in nursery 12 hours a day.

zeddybrek · 12/06/2023 22:54

Left London after 15 years when very pregnant with DC. Thought I needed a big house, garden, bifold doors and a kitchen island to raise kids properly. We came after 4 years, we had no idea there was so much green space and stuff for children to do. We will never leave again but glad we tried something different. Turned out grass wasn't greener, well for us.

Stickybackplasticbear · 12/06/2023 23:05

I love London but it was just financially awful trying to save anything towards a deposit. We had no family help and it was unobtainable for us. We just had a crap quality of life because of this. I had a really long commute and was working lots to try and earn more.

It slight irritates me when people like pp say stuff like oh we love it here and couldn't imagine living elsewhere. Unfortunately it's not really a realistic choice for many people to stay. It's a privlidge to be able to not feel forced to move.

fumigation · 12/06/2023 23:08

Yes, it was a snowy night and I left work early. My tube home was part overground and when it got to six stops before mine the service terminated due to bad weather and we were all left at the station. Buses were heaving and it was too far to walk...was totally stranded. Eventually they announced there was one train going back into the city so I jumped on that and spent the night sleeping on the floor of my office (in an old building which had mice). I just realised I didn't want this sort of life any more. I wanted to live in a town where I could afford more than a house share, where I drive or walk to family/friends and definitely never have to spend another night on an office floor.

I eventually moved closer to where I grew up and now live in a gorgeous northern village. London life would never suit me now. I'm so glad I made the move.

TempsPerdu · 12/06/2023 23:15

I'm 36 and grew up in London. It was different there as a kid in the 90's, now there are just too many people, the houses are too small and it's way too expensive. What did it for me was having my daughter 5 years ago, we decided we didn't want to bring her up in a city.

This…

When we were paying (high) London rent but not really enjoying London proper - because we had two small children and hardly ever travelled into central London.

… and this.

We haven’t actually left London yet; still clinging on in the outer suburbs near where I grew up. But a move out is on the cards for the next couple of years. It’s been a slow burn for us, rather than a massive change, but the push factors are steadily accumulating!

Post-Brexit and covid and mid-cost of living crisis London no longer feels like the buzzy, edgy, thrilling, optimistic city I grew up in. My friends’ teenagers who’ve also grown up here no longer use the city in the same way we used to, sometimes barely venturing into central London at all. It’s become much harder to get around anyway, as it’s a drive to the nearest Tube and trains from our local overground stations were dramatically reduced during the pandemic and have never returned to normal. Increasingly we feel like we’re stuck in our suburb paying London prices but without being able to experience ‘London proper’.

Quite a lot of the cultural stuff we used to love has gone, especially the child-centred stuff. There seems to be a conscious drive to move things out of London and focus more on the regions which has affected the breadth of what’s on offer. Much of what’s left seems to be either depressingly commercial or ridiculously obscure and esoteric - we cancelled our Barbican membership for eg when we could no longer make head nor tail of the write ups in the ‘What’s On’ catalogue!

Everywhere feels more and more overcrowded and there’s a vague sense of people being frazzled and on edge, as we’re all competing for the same limited resources. We recently spent some time in another, smaller city and there was a marked difference in how relaxed and friendly people seemed, and how everyone related to each other - everyone just seemed happier and less tightly wound.

But, as with so many families, the biggest push factor for us is the schools. Our local ones are all tough zero tolerance academies or super-selective grammars, and we just want a nice local comp with decent results and good pastoral care.

DD is 5 now and our plan is to be on the move by the time she’s heading into KS2. It’s a well-trodden path as many of our London friends have left or are planning to leave too.

JeandeServiette · 12/06/2023 23:30

That could be true @JeandeServiette though DH and I have now been London dwellers for 32 years.

Not quite sure what you mean by that, but what I meant is that London natives don't ever have to actively choose London in the first place. We either stay or we leave. Also our childhoods, families etc are (or were) here. So it's a different calculation. Not better or worse. Just different.

Incomers to London have actively chosen it but don't have childhood roots there. It's a different balance of motivations and ties.

(Also incomers quite often do the thing that you've just done of saying "but we've been here x years"....perhaps to suggest that's the same as being born a Londoner? Not sure. I can never quite work it out. Grin)

whatwouldAnnaDelveydo · 13/06/2023 00:18

The shit schools, no hope of a good education to DC or a good life for me and XH. Impossible to get a decent job in my area and having a family at the same time, competing with 20 somethings who could be completely dedicated to the career. House prices were not the main reason. I moved countries because I'm a city person.

IBetGordonRamsayDoesntHaveTheseProblems · 13/06/2023 00:22

Queeva · 12/06/2023 21:03

For those who have left, do you think you would have stayed if house prices weren't as high?

because from my friends who have left it's either A) they can't afford the house they want/need in London B) they see the big house in the country or
C) were never really city people to start with, but needed to move there for work

I would have stayed if house prices were comparable to the rest of the country - but they're not and never will be, no point dwelling on that too much.

There was just always a sense that I wasn't getting enough bang for my buck. After the first year or two, when the novelty wore off, my life consisted of things I could do in any city - I was taking the dog for a walk, not going to a west end show.

AskMeMore · 13/06/2023 00:23

Standing on a crowded tube platform with a mouse running about the track and gazing at an advert of Scottish scenery. I just thought what am I doing here.

AskMeMore · 13/06/2023 00:25

The second time that cemented my decision was spending yet another weekend on the tube travelling all over London to see artists shows. I do miss the variety of art shows, but I was spending an insane amount of time on the tube.

NewHouseNewMe · 13/06/2023 00:32

Haven’t yet!
I live in a street packed with elderly people who’ve reared families (some of whom also live locally) around here and are now rushed off their feet at social events like U3A.
That’s when they’re not in the centre seeing some exhibition with their subsidised tube travel.
Schools are good around here in fairness.

Delectable · 13/06/2023 00:47

Do you mind saying what part of London this is however general you feel comfortable with?

SixOClock · 13/06/2023 00:52

Tube strikes in the heat of summer, walking to work for miles in snow when tubes down, property prices.