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5% mortgage rates

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SaturdayGiraffe · 25/05/2023 18:10

Just read this article saying to expect 5%+ rates shortly.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/25/uk-homeowners-and-first-time-buyers-warned-to-brace-for-5-plus-mortgage-rates

UK homeowners and first-time buyers warned to brace for 5%-plus mortgage rates

I just don’t know how people are going to cope, and it could go even higher.

UK homeowners and first-time buyers warned to brace for 5%-plus mortgage rates

Lenders forced to raise fixed-term deals after latest inflation figure pushed swap rates upwards

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/25/uk-homeowners-and-first-time-buyers-warned-to-brace-for-5-plus-mortgage-rates

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kidcrazy · 12/06/2023 18:34

heatwave00 · 12/06/2023 17:55

No WAY are they 7%?! Really?? Been at work all day so haven’t been following the news

Not yet…

caringcarer · 12/06/2023 19:13

Throwncrumbs · 25/05/2023 18:41

I remember when they were 15%, we coped, so will you!

I just knew there would be someone coming on here with this.

3BSHKATS · 12/06/2023 19:24

rainingsnoring · 12/06/2023 16:51

Where did I say that? Someone else referred to the report, they may or may not have an opinion on it. I haven't read it myself.
Imo, we will have a large recession. That will mean higher unemployment.
Aren't you going to tell us about your savings accounts?

Google it, theres 10 to choose from on the front page

ThankmelaterOkay · 12/06/2023 19:30

EdinaCrump · 12/06/2023 16:34

The average BOE base rate from 1971 to 2023 was 7.11% so as far as I’m concerned 8% has always been on the cards.

They just don’t want the geneal public to know this all at once, gotta spread it out to stop the protests and panic that would otherwise ensue.

Lol, 8%. What are you smoking.

rainingsnoring · 12/06/2023 19:53

3BSHKATS · 12/06/2023 19:24

Google it, theres 10 to choose from on the front page

I did and the offers are very limited and you need to remember the tax on the interest unless inside an Isa.

EssexMan55 · 12/06/2023 21:38

KievLoverTwo · 25/05/2023 18:52

They love giving us false hope.

What makes you think it will be more like 7%?

All stamp duty incentives are going to go away in March 25 too, according to Jeremy Hunt.

It's like they've spent 4 years propping up the housing market and now they WANT a crash.

But that doesn't make sense to me.

Tories will be assuming labour will be in power. If the country is in a bad enough state voters blame labour and vote the tories back in after one term.

Yorkshirebornand · 12/06/2023 22:26

Im99912 · 26/05/2023 15:01

My son was buying a flat which fell through to a ground rent issue
however the HA offered him a scheme of rent to buy where his rent is fixed for 5 years at 30 percent below the market rate and at the end he can buy or walk away

He already has a 50k deposit 10k in his help to buy LiSA
So he’s decided to wait and see in a year or so his partner should be earning more so they can go into together and buy and get a better deal

but at the moment he’s paying 900 a month for a beautiful 2 bed 2 bath apartment it’s a really unique apartment / building

he’s got a friend / lodger staying and with his partner paying a share he’s is basically living rent free 😂

it’s just costing him council tax and bills

so his plan is to stay there with the cheap rent and see what happens to the market but save more women money while living cheap

pretty sure he shouldn’t be subletting when he is renting, I wouldn’t be boasting about this

DrySherry · 13/06/2023 09:41

Well this seems to be getting worse by the day. I see the Telegraph reporting that the markets think base rate will be at least 5.75% by December.
That's going to mean the best mortgage rates will be in the 6 to 7% range and svr's well in to 8% territory !!! Crikey..
That's going to cripple home values surely?

C4tastrophe · 13/06/2023 09:46

@DrySherry ’That's going to cripple home values surely?’

Let’s hope so!

DrySherry · 13/06/2023 10:05

C4tastrophe · 13/06/2023 09:46

@DrySherry ’That's going to cripple home values surely?’

Let’s hope so!

Careful what you wish for, the knock on effect of a significant re set will have widespread repercussions throughout the economy.

CreepingJenny · 13/06/2023 10:36

SparklesGalore · 02/06/2023 10:21

Unfortunately it is not that simple. The impact of rate rises is entirely dependent on the size of the loans in relation to income. If I have a £50k mortgage and a £50k salary I can easily cope with 15% IR. But for a £500k mortgage and a £50k salary it is a very different case.

Because of low IRs, and house price inflation, people have borrowed beyond their means. A 15% IR back in the day, is equivalent to something like an 8% IR now.

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Very well explained.

ThankmelaterOkay · 13/06/2023 11:19

5.75%?!?

My Hanley Economic saving account is going to be too lucrative. Will have to open an ISA.

3BSHKATS · 13/06/2023 11:24

DrySherry · 13/06/2023 09:41

Well this seems to be getting worse by the day. I see the Telegraph reporting that the markets think base rate will be at least 5.75% by December.
That's going to mean the best mortgage rates will be in the 6 to 7% range and svr's well in to 8% territory !!! Crikey..
That's going to cripple home values surely?

Stop catastrophising.

DanceMonster · 13/06/2023 11:25

C4tastrophe · 13/06/2023 09:46

@DrySherry ’That's going to cripple home values surely?’

Let’s hope so!

The economic climate surrounding a significant house price crash is not one that anyone should wish for.
Don’t get me wrong it would be good for us, as we have enough equity in our home that negative equity would be highly unlikely, and we’re looking to upsize so a crash would work in our favour, but house price crashes don’t exist in a vacuum and would be unlikely to lead to more first time buyers being able to get on the property ladder.

C4tastrophe · 13/06/2023 11:26

DrySherry · 13/06/2023 10:05

Careful what you wish for, the knock on effect of a significant re set will have widespread repercussions throughout the economy.

We need the reset though.
Short, sharp shock is better.

3BSHKATS · 13/06/2023 11:29

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VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 13/06/2023 12:03

C4tastrophe · 13/06/2023 11:26

We need the reset though.
Short, sharp shock is better.

It starts with people only moving if they have to. E.g deaths and divorce. So the market slows.
it will stop banks lending money so no remortgages no new purchases unless your a cash buyer (I’ll come back to them). Which grinds the housing market to a halt.

  • it was this point the government intervened last time.

people in buy to let’s may find landlords using their rent to pay off their own mortgages rather than the properties. And the first the renter will hear us bailiffs at the door.

businesses will struggle to cover their bills as fewer people will be spending money. Redundancies follow. Which feeds it further, bankruptcy follow. More repossessions.

raised crime levels as people struggle to put food on the table. Children hungry at schools and older ones not attending school as they can’t afford yo get there /uniform/ £1 for the school books. Older ones may feel responsible for helping the family, so working or committing crimes to help the family. Any remaining youth centres closing due to less money in the governments pot
neglected health issues due to poor nutrition and being able to take time off work for doctors.

back to the cash buyers.

we are living in a weird parallel world. Some people are incredibly wealthy at the moment. They are the ones who are going to benefit. Generally older, seen it all before. Property owned outright. Any drop means they can clean up. Buy whole chunks of property at reduced rates to rent out. Suddenly their property portfolio is booming. As they know property will recover and they will make a killing.

whilst We do need a readjustment it needs to be slow and steady. A crash means no one but the wealthy will benefit and it will be over in a blink back to mad times again. There’s millions of FTB waiting for their chance. A crash won’t help them.

Kennykenkencat · 13/06/2023 12:04

We need the reset though.
Short, sharp shock is better

But the short sharp shock is never short. It takes years for people to recover.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 13/06/2023 12:10

Kennykenkencat · 13/06/2023 12:04

We need the reset though.
Short, sharp shock is better

But the short sharp shock is never short. It takes years for people to recover.

And some people never will

3BSHKATS · 13/06/2023 12:23

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 13/06/2023 12:10

And some people never will

I think my parents let go of a house cheaply when they got divorced. This was in the 80s, but the major difference was my mum was an orphan and my dad’s parents were hanging by a thread themselves. They were in no position to be able to help out. If anything happened to my job, both my parents would pay my mortgage. And I would do the same for my children, so there’s two layers of protection before we get into any financial trouble as a family which just wasn’t available to my folks. Not to mention the government would intervene some stage.

DanceMonster · 13/06/2023 12:47

C4tastrophe · 13/06/2023 11:26

We need the reset though.
Short, sharp shock is better.

Why?

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 13/06/2023 13:21

Not to mention the government would intervene some stage.

I don’t know if they would this time. Intervening in 2009 was the worst thing they could have done. Half the mess we are in now is because of that. If they had let things adjust then it would have been better. Now it’s compounded the issue

3BSHKATS · 13/06/2023 13:26

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 13/06/2023 13:21

Not to mention the government would intervene some stage.

I don’t know if they would this time. Intervening in 2009 was the worst thing they could have done. Half the mess we are in now is because of that. If they had let things adjust then it would have been better. Now it’s compounded the issue

That doesn’t usually stop them. Of course they’ll intervene. People weren’t allowed to be a bit chilli this winter, allow mass homelessness i dont think so

Xenia · 13/06/2023 16:25

The interventions have not really been to the good in my view, but I agere allowing a crash as we had massively in the 1990s when we sold 2 flats and our last house at losses and lots of people were out of a job etc is very difficult for people. In our own case we had paid off the loans on our two "buy to lose" flats because we had one locked in at 10% interest rate for 10 years which had seemed like a really good bet when rates were well over that but when they reverted below we just had to get it paid off. We also probably bought the house I am now in for less than the year before when we bought it in 1997 because of the property market crash and it was a bigger house so next house up reducing by x% even if your cheaper existing house is also worth the same % less still means in a sense people gain who already own something and are moving up and those who have never bought benefit because the price of the first place is less. Even so I am sure it was a dreadful time for many people with plenty in negative equity

3BSHKATS · 13/06/2023 17:29

Xenia · 13/06/2023 16:25

The interventions have not really been to the good in my view, but I agere allowing a crash as we had massively in the 1990s when we sold 2 flats and our last house at losses and lots of people were out of a job etc is very difficult for people. In our own case we had paid off the loans on our two "buy to lose" flats because we had one locked in at 10% interest rate for 10 years which had seemed like a really good bet when rates were well over that but when they reverted below we just had to get it paid off. We also probably bought the house I am now in for less than the year before when we bought it in 1997 because of the property market crash and it was a bigger house so next house up reducing by x% even if your cheaper existing house is also worth the same % less still means in a sense people gain who already own something and are moving up and those who have never bought benefit because the price of the first place is less. Even so I am sure it was a dreadful time for many people with plenty in negative equity

By 2000 just 3 years later, house peices doubled. Do you not regret selling at a loss @Xenia

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