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Neighbour building bar at bottom of the garden

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michmash1111 · 22/08/2022 12:49

Hello, the neighbour who backs onto our garden is planning on building a bar/free standing building at the bottom of their garden.

We have expressed to them in writing that we wish to understand how they will use this space and also, our thoughts and worries re noise. We are aware that it is their right to build this structure under the rules of planned development.

We're going to ask to see the plans for this build and fully-understand how close to our boundary they will be building.

Do you have any further insights/considerations/suggestions for questions we need to ask?

Thank you very much in advance!

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whiteroseredrose · 22/08/2022 19:41

You might find that you need to buy some bags of manure to feed your plants, and store them at the bottom of your garden, by the fence, in the summer.

ZeroFuchsGiven · 23/08/2022 11:38

whiteroseredrose · 22/08/2022 19:41

You might find that you need to buy some bags of manure to feed your plants, and store them at the bottom of your garden, by the fence, in the summer.

Yeah Op should do this, I mean obviously her letter dint make her look unreasonable enough Hmm

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL · 23/08/2022 12:05

whiteroseredrose · 22/08/2022 19:41

You might find that you need to buy some bags of manure to feed your plants, and store them at the bottom of your garden, by the fence, in the summer.

Yes, that will help a lot! Great idea, neighbour wars.

Luredbyapomegranate · 23/08/2022 12:11

I wouldn’t get off on this negative foot with them, because it won’t make them very sympathetic to you. And it is in your interests that they are sympathetic to you.

Whammyyammy · 23/08/2022 14:24

Wow..how entitled are you op? Its called 'permitted development" as its developed that they ate permitted to do, without planning permission or approval from you.

If you wrote to me asking how I intend to use my own garden and demanding too see plans you would get a response, but it would end in right off...

Whammyyammy · 23/08/2022 14:27

whiteroseredrose · 22/08/2022 19:41

You might find that you need to buy some bags of manure to feed your plants, and store them at the bottom of your garden, by the fence, in the summer.

Do that to me and I would have a semi wet bonfire on standby, ready to be lit just as you have a bbq, garden party or just using your garden.
Play stupid games, and you will win stupid prizes

MrsMontyD · 23/08/2022 15:09

We have a few friends who built garden bars during lockdown, they're definitely entertain more now they have somewhere to sit outside undercover, it used to be a summer thing on the patio, but those with proper insulation, wood burners etc. entertain in the garden probably 9 months of the year now.

I'm not sure I'd want to live next door to one, but absolutely nothing you can do about it.

Hawkins001 · 23/08/2022 15:11

All the best op

JudgeRindersMinder · 23/08/2022 15:15

I think if you need an explanation as to how they plan on using a bar you have more problems than how close to your boundary it will be!

WoodlandMummy · 23/08/2022 15:26

We have a summer house at the bottom of our garden, it’s all geared up for social gatherings and the occasional party. However, we are v considerate neighbours and certainly are not down there partying every weekend. We have BBQs down there most weekends in the summer but they aren’t raucous affairs (in the main).

I don’t really blame you for being concerned, some folk are arseholes and loud weekly parties could really affect your quality of life. I do get it. However, try not to despair too much, it might just be for occasional use 🤞🏼

OllieTheCat · 24/08/2022 09:38

OP - I understand what you are feeling! Our house is right on the boundary with the garden on three sides. On the other side of our boundary fence is a very large neo classic new build set in a few acres.

They have decided to build their 'entertainment hub' at the end of their garden which is effectively ten feet from our bedroom windows. They have a swimming pool and a large pool house fully wired for sound which would give an nightclub a run for it's money, with a kitchen area. They appear to use it for all of their entertaining and business meetings.

There are a couple of large trees and conifers on the boundary in their garden so I think because they can't quite see the houses on the other side, they think they are nice and secluded....but we can hear everything!!

We have sucked it up and fell asleep yet again to loud music last night....but I think your point about writing to your neighbours and asking them about how they are intending to use it might just make them appreciate that it's not as secluded as they think just because it's at the end of the garden.

Hopefully your lot are more considerate than ours. The fact that if they actually sat on their own patio, they would disturb a lot less people than sitting at the end of the garden...🙄

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michmash1111 · 24/08/2022 09:53

OllieTheCat · 24/08/2022 09:38

OP - I understand what you are feeling! Our house is right on the boundary with the garden on three sides. On the other side of our boundary fence is a very large neo classic new build set in a few acres.

They have decided to build their 'entertainment hub' at the end of their garden which is effectively ten feet from our bedroom windows. They have a swimming pool and a large pool house fully wired for sound which would give an nightclub a run for it's money, with a kitchen area. They appear to use it for all of their entertaining and business meetings.

There are a couple of large trees and conifers on the boundary in their garden so I think because they can't quite see the houses on the other side, they think they are nice and secluded....but we can hear everything!!

We have sucked it up and fell asleep yet again to loud music last night....but I think your point about writing to your neighbours and asking them about how they are intending to use it might just make them appreciate that it's not as secluded as they think just because it's at the end of the garden.

Hopefully your lot are more considerate than ours. The fact that if they actually sat on their own patio, they would disturb a lot less people than sitting at the end of the garden...🙄

Thank you so much for your understanding. The summerhouse/bar will be 10 metres from our house/my son's bedroom and about 30 metres from theirs. I appreciate your measured response. Good luck!

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Lucyintheskywithrubies · 24/08/2022 10:03

OP I feel for you this would stress me out so much 😭

Havent got any words of advice but hope it gets sorted. One thing I would say is the “bar in the garden” thing just seems another must have fad that will hopefully fade away when the next thing comes along (cf hot tubs). Especially when it’s cold in the winter. Personally I think they’re naff but each to their own. All the best OP 🤞

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michmash1111 · 24/08/2022 21:20

Lucyintheskywithrubies · 24/08/2022 10:03

OP I feel for you this would stress me out so much 😭

Havent got any words of advice but hope it gets sorted. One thing I would say is the “bar in the garden” thing just seems another must have fad that will hopefully fade away when the next thing comes along (cf hot tubs). Especially when it’s cold in the winter. Personally I think they’re naff but each to their own. All the best OP 🤞

Wise words. Kind response. Thank you and do take care 😊

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michmash1111 · 24/08/2022 21:24

Badger1970 · 22/08/2022 13:09

Our NDN's built one in their front garden during lockdown. It's broken planning rules, as well as estate covenants but Council deemed it "impudent" to take any further action.

They are making our lives an absolute misery with the noise. Every weekend, they're out there with their lights, sound system and HAW HAW HAWIng until the early hours.

I'd contact planning early on and state your objections OP from bitter experience.

I am so sorry to hear this. I hope the novelty wears off sooner rather than later. Do take care and all the very best 😊

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michmash1111 · 24/08/2022 21:25

Whatwherehowwhenwho · 22/08/2022 13:11

Don't be one of those neighbours

Having seen videos of those neighbours in their homemade bars, surrounded by friends every weekend, screeching and wailing along to music @michmash1111 has my sympathy. All the ‘move somewhere remote if you don’t want neighbours’ posts will likely follow but it’s never ‘move somewhere remote if you want to make all that noise’.

Thank you so much for even trying to understand. I appreciate it. It's a real worry. I wish you all the very best 😊

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michmash1111 · 24/08/2022 21:27

BowiesJumper · 22/08/2022 17:53

How do you know it’s a bar? Do you get on with them? Are they generally good neighbours?

My in-laws have recently got a summer house/bar at the end of their garden. It doesn’t mean they’re throwing loud parties every weekend or anything.

is there a background to why you’re so worried about it?

In answer to your question, it will be around 10 metres from our home but about 30 metres from theirs.

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michmash1111 · 24/08/2022 21:28

CornedBeef451 · 22/08/2022 18:12

I completely understand why you are concerned, that could be a nightmare of late night parties!

Unfortunately there's not much you can do, just buy some earplugs in preparation?

Thank you 😊

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michmash1111 · 24/08/2022 21:28

JorisBonson · 22/08/2022 18:14

How far away is it from your house?

I'm terraced and we all have very long (c 100ft) gardens. We built a seating area at the end to 1) not disturb people if we wanted to stay out late into the evening and 2) so we didn't have to hear our neighbours every time we wanted to sit out.

You can't hear anything from our house from that seating area.

About 10 metres from our house and 30 metres from theirs...

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michmash1111 · 24/08/2022 21:29

NoSquirrels · 22/08/2022 18:15

You can’t complain about it, officially - as you say it’s permitted development. All you can do is have a friendly conversation where hopefully they’ll show you the plans and you can discuss how they’ll use it. But you need to keep it friendly. I wouldn’t go down the ‘in writing’ route - ask for a chat in person.

Thank you kindly...

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michmash1111 · 24/08/2022 21:32

Yesthatismychildsigh · 22/08/2022 19:12

We have expressed to them in writing that we wish to understand how they will use this space and also, our thoughts and worries re noise. We are aware that it is their right to build this structure under the rules of planned development.

We're going to ask to see the plans for this build and fully-understand how close to our boundary they will be building.

Really? I mean Really? Don’t go any further up yourself, you’ll end up coming out the other end inside out.

Tee hee, I see what you did there. Up myself etc etc. You seem really, I mean really quite witty 😊

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michmash1111 · 24/08/2022 21:34

Hawkins001 · 23/08/2022 15:11

All the best op

Actually... all the best to you too 😊

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michmash1111 · 24/08/2022 21:36

WoodlandMummy · 23/08/2022 15:26

We have a summer house at the bottom of our garden, it’s all geared up for social gatherings and the occasional party. However, we are v considerate neighbours and certainly are not down there partying every weekend. We have BBQs down there most weekends in the summer but they aren’t raucous affairs (in the main).

I don’t really blame you for being concerned, some folk are arseholes and loud weekly parties could really affect your quality of life. I do get it. However, try not to despair too much, it might just be for occasional use 🤞🏼

I really appreciate your perspective. Thank you for taking the time to reply. Enjoy the rest of your summer! 😊

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michmash1111 · 24/08/2022 21:38

ZeroFuchsGiven · 22/08/2022 12:53

I think you need to mind your own business, its their garden you have no right to ask them what they are using the space for or asking to see plans. You sound like an absolute nightmare!

You are so smart and perceptive. I'm a complete nightmare. How did you guess? 😊

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Allmyarseandpeggymartin · 24/08/2022 21:50

Better a bar then a sex pond

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