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Extension Thread 2022....plaster, panic and pics

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Callmejudith · 21/01/2022 10:20

Slightly naff title but I haven't had enough coffee yet

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BlueMooMoo · 26/02/2022 09:39

@sluj

We recently installed aluminium Air600 lift and slide doors. There are 3 panes across about 4.5m, really easy to move with 2 fingers. The frames are not particularly small but you don't really notice them as your eye is drawn to the view outside. I chose them as they have a little rubber cover over the bottom slider rails so you don't get a build up of cat hair and leaves in the channel! Apparently bi folds are very 2000s now 🙂

www.discoverair.co.uk/aluminium-lift-and-slide-doors

I don't think I made a proper hyperlink above but that's where you will find the details

How much were they do you mind me asking?
BlueMooMoo · 26/02/2022 09:43

@Littlemissweepy

Also getting anxious about costs. For those who have experienced spiraling costs etc, have you had your houses revalued after and did the value go up enough to cover the costs? I worry about negative equity!

Good tips here on doors. We are going for bifold and haven’t even started looking at different ones.

It's so difficult isn't it. We've had to make some very tough decisions about future retirement plans and schooling to fund the price rises. We're accepting that we are going above ceiling price and if we came to sell we would lose money. However we don't plan to sell - we want to be here for the next 20years so the quality of life is worth it for us. It's not like prices will get cheaper so might as well go for it and enjoy it as long as possible. And occasionally play the lottery and cross our fingers and toes Grin
sluj · 26/02/2022 09:43

Hmm, I think between £6 and £8k but unfortunately all these big numbers just seem to roll over your head when you are building an extension 🤔 They are good quality aluminium, very sturdy with a good locking mechanism. All three of mine slide so you can stack them in any position. I can also lock one of the doors into a cat sized exit if I need to but with the doors securely locked

BlueMooMoo · 26/02/2022 10:02

@sluj

Hmm, I think between £6 and £8k but unfortunately all these big numbers just seem to roll over your head when you are building an extension 🤔 They are good quality aluminium, very sturdy with a good locking mechanism. All three of mine slide so you can stack them in any position. I can also lock one of the doors into a cat sized exit if I need to but with the doors securely locked
That sounds reasonable. I didn't get a chance to go to the suppliers yesterday so I'll try and make time this week. A consideration is if we go with a different supplier to the builder and they don't supply to schedule we will be responsible for any additional costs. I want to check though whether the supplier will order in other brands as that could be an option. We're hoping for 3 panels of 1.1m panes.
Littlemissweepy · 26/02/2022 10:35

Apparently bi folds are very 2000s now 🙂

Harsh!

sluj · 26/02/2022 11:23

@Littlemissweepy

Apparently bi folds are very 2000s now 🙂

Harsh!

No offence intended, its what the guys in the showrooms said.🙂 Personally I think you choose what you like and what suits you. I also heard you should never get UPVC bifolds as the weight of the stacked doors buckles the frame but again, it's whatever suits you and your budget really
AwkwardPaws27 · 26/02/2022 11:30

We're having a relatively small side return infill so just having French doors into the garden.

I'm keen on aluminium, something like this www.climadoor.co.uk/french-doors/external-french-doors/climadoor-grey-heritage-style-aluminium-french-doors/1200mm-grey-heritage-aluminium-french-doors

We're going for a slightly industrial look (exposed yellow stock brick wall, raw metal column radiators) and keeping our main steel beam exposed - I might see if we can colour match and paint it the same colour as the doors...

NewHouseNewMe · 26/02/2022 12:27

We have Origin aluminium windows and they’re really great. On doors they don’t do the style I want so didn’t look into it too much.

Do go and see the doors in person @AwkwardPaws27. We nearly went for the same but when we saw them, you can see a lot of frame which is unavoidable because of the strength of aluminium. It will depend where it’s going as in some settings it won’t matter as it’s to the side or whatever. In my case i am going to have a few of these doors so it’s obvious, so we splurged for steel in the end. We are going to cut back somewhere else.

AwkwardPaws27 · 26/02/2022 12:47

@NewHouseNewMe

We have Origin aluminium windows and they’re really great. On doors they don’t do the style I want so didn’t look into it too much.

Do go and see the doors in person @AwkwardPaws27. We nearly went for the same but when we saw them, you can see a lot of frame which is unavoidable because of the strength of aluminium. It will depend where it’s going as in some settings it won’t matter as it’s to the side or whatever. In my case i am going to have a few of these doors so it’s obvious, so we splurged for steel in the end. We are going to cut back somewhere else.

It's aluminium or upvc unfortunately - I don't have the budget for real Crittal doors.
LivingInaBuildingSite · 26/02/2022 12:57

We’ve gone for origin bifolds and paid the extra for the thinner frame.
A 6m opening with 5 large & tall doors.
Haven’t had a summer with them yet but very happy with them so far.
Went for anthracite, which will probably date like an avocado suite but I dithered for so long and just had to commit to something in the end.

Only thing atm is in the morning there seems to be a lot of condensation on the outsides. Don’t know if it’s linked to having had plastic sheeting stuff stuck on while the rendering was done. Needs a good clean for sure. Hope it stops then.

Do have a kitchen issue in that the hole for the dishwasher is so exact that the vibration of the machine has moved a tall side panel away from the counter.
We’ve had to have it out and put back in because it had an error message and needed emptying from the back. Once the side panel is fixed that will be impossible 🤔

NewHouseNewMe · 26/02/2022 13:03

Totally hear you @AwkwardPaws27. We reducing our ambitions on kitchens and other stuff to make it up!

NewHouseNewMe · 26/02/2022 13:12

@Littlemissweepy

Also getting anxious about costs. For those who have experienced spiraling costs etc, have you had your houses revalued after and did the value go up enough to cover the costs? I worry about negative equity!

Good tips here on doors. We are going for bifold and haven’t even started looking at different ones.

Re covering costs and negative equity, we would just about be flat or up a bit if we sold as soon as we finish. If we thought that was likely, we wouldn’t do it but we want to live in it for 15/20 years so it makes sense to us. What we want also never comes on the market either so we’d never find when we want to buy. But it’s a tough one and we’ve tortured ourselves with the same question.
AwkwardPaws27 · 26/02/2022 13:39

@Littlemissweepy

Also getting anxious about costs. For those who have experienced spiraling costs etc, have you had your houses revalued after and did the value go up enough to cover the costs? I worry about negative equity!

Good tips here on doors. We are going for bifold and haven’t even started looking at different ones.

Negative equity shouldn't be an issue unless house prices drop significantly; I doubt any lender would loan you that much extra on mortgage to put you in that position?

Our extension and new kitchen will add less value than it costs, it wouldn't be worth doing if we were selling next year, but we plan on being here 5+ years. If we moved to a house with an existing extension, we'd have additional costs (estate agent, solicitors, stamp duty etc) anyway.

We are funding partly through extra borrowing but the kitchen itself and the contingency fund are from savings. We could have borrowed a little bit more but then the LTV pushed us to higher interest rates.

sluj · 26/02/2022 15:33

@LivingInaBuildingSite
That's strange, our sliders have been in about 4 months and we are not yet using the extension but we also get loads of condensation on the outside of the glass. We have K Rend up to them but they were never covered in plastic. No other windows in the house do this. I'm just glad its on the outside.
I am absolutely itching to clean all my new glass but there's not much point at the moment with all the sawing that's going on.Smile

wonkylegs · 26/02/2022 15:54

Hi all have been lurking and quiet for a bit whilst the little final bits get done. If the decorator had turned up today we would be but yet again he's said he'd be here then not made it.
However this week the plumbing has been finished, the remaining electrics are sorted, sofa bed arrived in a box this morning to be put together tomorrow. Everything needs a bloody good clean. I may be able to do some good photos by next weekend but here is my new coving lighting and the sofa in a box as a taster.

Extension Thread 2022....plaster, panic and pics
Extension Thread 2022....plaster, panic and pics
LivingInaBuildingSite · 26/02/2022 15:58

[quote sluj]@LivingInaBuildingSite
That's strange, our sliders have been in about 4 months and we are not yet using the extension but we also get loads of condensation on the outside of the glass. We have K Rend up to them but they were never covered in plastic. No other windows in the house do this. I'm just glad its on the outside.
I am absolutely itching to clean all my new glass but there's not much point at the moment with all the sawing that's going on.Smile[/quote]
Thanks for that. Maybe as you’re not using the extension? We are but, the UFH is not on, so I’m wondering if it’s linked to that? Just had a wobble about it this morning wondering if we’ve spent £££ on dodgy windows. The house is cold - have the fire lit when we can to warm it up so I’m hoping it’s that.

We should get the house valued whenever we finally finish but I’m pretty sure it won’t have gone up by the amount we’ll have spent. But like the rest of you we aren’t planning on selling any time soon. Before we started we considered moving. What with our fussiness over location (don’t actually want to move anywhere else other than maybe across the road for south facing!), and the ‘lost’ money involved in moving we decide to invest in this house and stay here.

Whenever we retire to a bungalow it has to be south or west facing and detached, that’s my plan anyway!

wonkylegs · 26/02/2022 16:06

Re condensation on the outside - if the space isn't heated you will get condensation on the glass as it's very cold. Even though it's quite well insulated it does transfer some heat once inside is heated. It should clear as the space becomes warms up.

sluj · 26/02/2022 16:13

Just found this from the Pilkington site, apparently its a sign of good Windows-

From time to time, we receive enquiries about the appearance of external condensation on glass. This phenomenon is a natural occurrence and not a fault in the glass or window
Moisture condenses out of the air onto a cold surface that is said to be below the dew point. The dew point varies with the air temperature and the amount of moisture it contains. Particularly in spring and autumn, the glass temperature can fall to a low level during the night and the dew point can be comparatively high in these seasons. The glass temperature can be below the dew point under these conditions and moisture can condense onto the surface.

In order to save energy, maintain a comfortable internal environment and satisfy building regulations requirements, the windows we fit in our homes are much more thermally efficient than in the past. With single glazing and older style double glazing, a large proportion of heat was lost to the outside through the glass. With modern low emissivity glass, more of the heat is kept inside and the outer pane is not heated as much.

The more thermally insulating the glass is, the lower the outer pane temperature is likely to be and the greater the risk of condensation on the external surface. In northern European countries, where levels of thermal insulation are higher than in the UK, the phenomenon is understood and accepted.

There is not much that can be done to avoid the risk of condensation to the outside. In many cases the condensation does not last long. A little heat from the sun warms the outer glass enough to evaporate the moisture and a gentle breeze or wind will help.

Those people who have fitted Pilkington Activâ„¢ self-cleaning glass may also notice that they get fewer occurrences. Pilkington Activâ„¢ is as prone to condensation as any other glass, but the properties of this product means it does not allow the water to form beads on the surface of the glass. So you tend not see the effect to the same degree.

You may notice that not all of the panes are affected by early morning condensation, even in the same window. Subtle differences in orientation and the position of objects outside the window can change the surface temperature of the glass to the point that one pane suffers and another does not. Any object such as a canopy or tree blocking off the window to a clear night sky will also reduce the effect.

A plus point is the knowledge that your windows are keeping the heat in as they are designed to do, proving that you have a superior insulating glass product.

That's alright then Grin

LivingInaBuildingSite · 26/02/2022 17:00

Oh that’s good info!

Still looks a bit bad when you come down in the morning I think.
Doesn’t help us that we’re north facing I guess.

But can reassure myself that I’m not wasting heat!

nomoneytree · 26/02/2022 19:22

My builder is pushing smart. No doubt big kick back Smile. Has anyone seen them. IQ referred to them as a trade option. I've just looked at my plans again and we actually have planning for a 5m side and 6m rear opening. I'm so worried about costs. I've always wanted sliders too.

BlueMooMoo · 26/02/2022 19:29

@nomoneytree

My builder is pushing smart. No doubt big kick back Smile. Has anyone seen them. IQ referred to them as a trade option. I've just looked at my plans again and we actually have planning for a 5m side and 6m rear opening. I'm so worried about costs. I've always wanted sliders too.
I'm going to see smart this coming week so I will report back and let you know. The price rises have knocked out more than half our contingency so I am nervous too and can not afford to go off spec. We really have no extra money to find either (mortgage maxed out, savings wiped) so I'm accepting that I'm not going to get the show home ultra luxury dream!

I've been fiddling with my kitchen design and waiting on a response to my support ticket. Will have to wait for nap time on Monday before I can call so trying to do as much as I can now to keep to cost.

plumstone · 28/02/2022 11:30

Was on site at the weekend, and my extension structure is up so that's good, however the cost of slates for it have gone up 50% in the last 3 months. Its just mind boggling - but like everyone else, I think the high end finish, decor and furniture I was planning may need to get scaled back to ensure that the building is actually wind and water tight with a functioning kitchen and bathroom.

Plan at the moment, is to have a finished bedroom, bathroom, and extension which houses the kitchen and utility room, and then work on the spare bedrooms at a later date. The Garden budget has been completely re-worked into the build budget along with some of the decorating budget. I've stopped looking at pinterest!

nomoneytree · 28/02/2022 17:06

Oh plumstone it is so bittersweet. I feel lucky we can afford a build at all but gutted at the way prices have risen. Our budget should mean that we are not needing to make significant compromises but honestly I'm having to be careful about everything. We started this thinking we would be able to afford all new furniture, now I'm wondering if we will even be able to afford to put the en suites in. Our initial quote (immediately prior to putting in planning which has now just been granted) was for £225 plus vat and costs and the latest one was for £305 plus vat and costs. We haven't changed the spec or the build at all. My husband thinks we should pm it ourselves. On the other hand I literally can't wait until they start!!

plumstone · 28/02/2022 17:35

I hear you @nomoneytree - I was quoted £120k + VAT for extension, and complete refurb, remote part of Scotland hence the price. Then I have £50k for furniture and decor, £25k for Kitchen and utility, and £25k for the Garden. - now its basically get the build done, and reassess! My builders have been great - and have promised they'll leave a patch of concrete so I can sit outside my french doors and have a coffee in the morning, during the summer!! I would project manage myself - but I live three hours away, so not practical!!

BlueMooMoo · 28/02/2022 18:50

Joining the money/price woes club. Original quote was 174k for everything. Then to 210k with significant chunks removed (garage conversion, downstairs bathroom, hallway remodel and new porch). Now as of today 244k. We've only got 250 so we will have no new furniture and possibly no flooring. We have stripped the build to the bare bones so not much further we can cut.

However after speaking with diy support today I've got the kitchen in at just under 10k which includes worktops. Need to order 3xappliances, a tap, and a sink.

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