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We are having a property dispute. Land registry not much help. PIC

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inheritancetrack · 04/01/2022 13:07

Someone who doesn't live near us but uses the land behind our house and has bought up this land says part of my garage is cut by his boundary line and therefor half the garage belongs to him.

Its not clear on the deeds. I don't know how to access the deeds to this land at the back to see what he does own.

land registry won't let me in with the correct password, doesnt recognise either of my email addresses and says its closed to registrations.

what should I do? outlined in red and coloured yellow is my house, garden and access to the garage at the back.

We are having a property dispute. Land registry not much help. PIC
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inheritancetrack · 04/01/2022 13:09

to clarify its just the small dogleg, not the black buildings or the word garage as thats not near me. I've labelled the bit disputed. the blue is what person already says he owns. He says he can't get his deeds as the former owner is not releasing them or some such BS

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JackieCollinshasnoauthority · 04/01/2022 13:11

I would just ignore him personally.

Has he asked you to take any action such as remove the garage?

Pootles34 · 04/01/2022 13:18

Surely he would have sorted this out before purchasing the land? I would ignore him unless he can provide you with clear deeds, or action from a solicitor.

Keep trying with land registry in the meantime.

Lucked · 04/01/2022 13:21

How old is your house and garage?

twointhemorning · 04/01/2022 13:25

Why do your deeds not show his 'land'? Was it divided up later?
As the previous poster said, it's probably best to just ignore. What do your deeds show or say about access to your garage? How long have you lived there?

Surely it's up to him to prove his claim?

Comefromaway · 04/01/2022 13:26

Considering deeds are all digital now that’s rubbish about the former owner. His solicitor should have given him a copy.

PAFMO · 04/01/2022 13:27

I've had this recently, also over a garage. Basically the (deceased) NDN's son claims his father "loaned" my (deceased) parent the land on which our garage was built 40 odd years ago. Total rubbish, but the deeds did show the boundary was slightly in our favour (by about a metre) differently to the deeds, in that when a wall had been replaced (neither of us can remember if it was his dad or mine) we "gained" a strip of land.
I spoke to a solicitor who looked into it and the TL:DR upshot is that boundaries change, naturally, over time, when things like walls and fences are built and come down etc. We are now waiting to see if NDN continues stropping but we've been told he doesn't have a leg to stand on particularly as so much time has elapsed and (as regards the space our garage is built on) his first moan was clearly rubbish.
Good luck!

forcedfun · 04/01/2022 13:29

How long has the garage been there? And how long have you owned the property for?

Don't panic or agree to anything until you have taken legal advice (and I would wait for him to make the first move)!

RiversOfFish · 04/01/2022 13:30

How long has the garage been there?

Do you use the garage (just from a would he dare to tear it down sort of thing)

How long have you lived in the house?

forcedfun · 04/01/2022 13:30

And the bit about the previous owner not releasing deeds definitely doesn't make any sense!!

CorrBlimeyGG · 04/01/2022 13:32

land registry won't let me in with the correct password, doesnt recognise either of my email addresses and says its closed to registrations.

Are you on the wrong website? It's definitely possible to register on the LR website and purchase deeds.

ShiftingSands21 · 04/01/2022 13:41

Gov.uk website led me here eservices.landregistry.gov.uk/eservices/FindAProperty/view/QuickEnquiryInit.do

chesirecat99 · 04/01/2022 13:44

Can you post an enlarged picture without your colouring in and annotations, just the original red line showing the boundary that is on the deeds? It is a bit hard to see it under all the additions.

The land registry deletes registrations if you don't use it for 12 months, that is probably why your old log in isn't working.

You really need to download his deeds and compare them to yours as the first step. Are you sure you can't reregister? I can't see anything about not allowing new registrations? Maybe they were doing maintenance when you tried to register?

savvy7 · 04/01/2022 13:49

The garage has presumably been there a long time? In which case you would have had exclusive use of the land in any case so he is on a hiding to nothing.

redastherose · 04/01/2022 14:28

Your boundary is marked by the red line. His registered land can't overlap with yours on the land registry computer records so it is unlikely that his title shows he owns your land. In any event the scale of the plans means that the red line is often a metre wide so being definitive as to the precise boundary is often difficult.

Also, if your garage has been there in situ for 21 years then you would most likely have acquired a prescriptive title to the land even if it theoretically was his land originally.

Chimley · 04/01/2022 20:11

As others have said, getting onto the land registry website shouldn't be impossible.

My guess would be the boundary wall comes in at an angle, but instead of carrying on diagonally, it hugs your garage wall, thus your garage wall is the boundary wall.

The good news is the man is clearly a div as he should have sorted this with the owner before buying, not you afterwards. Ask him to prove it or otherwise leave you alone.

Redburnett · 04/01/2022 20:21

Probably best to get proper legal advice.
When we had a vaguely similar issue it was impossible to establish exactly where the boundary was from either set of plans. Solicitor advised us that land registry generally go with 'what is on the ground', as things stand.
It sounds as though the person making the claim is trying it on. It seems unlikely he could claim half your garage, especially without documentation. Perhaps simply tell him he is wrong, and see what happens.

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inheritancetrack · 04/01/2022 20:21

@Lucked

How old is your house and garage?
Old, it's a farmworkers cottage.
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inheritancetrack · 04/01/2022 20:22

@twointhemorning

Why do your deeds not show his 'land'? Was it divided up later? As the previous poster said, it's probably best to just ignore. What do your deeds show or say about access to your garage? How long have you lived there?

Surely it's up to him to prove his claim?

I thought he would need to get his own deeds to show his land? It's newly purchased about a year ago.
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inheritancetrack · 04/01/2022 20:23

@Comefromaway

Considering deeds are all digital now that’s rubbish about the former owner. His solicitor should have given him a copy.
Yes, they must have had a solicitor draw up the new arrangement? I think he is trying it on, but doing things like parking his van across the access.
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inheritancetrack · 04/01/2022 20:25

@forcedfun

How long has the garage been there? And how long have you owned the property for?

Don't panic or agree to anything until you have taken legal advice (and I would wait for him to make the first move)!

Garage was there when I moved in about 10 years ago. It was part of the purchase. It's old and dilapidated so I don't use it anyway.
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inheritancetrack · 04/01/2022 20:27

@CorrBlimeyGG

land registry won't let me in with the correct password, doesnt recognise either of my email addresses and says its closed to registrations.

Are you on the wrong website? It's definitely possible to register on the LR website and purchase deeds.

I'm pretty sure. I got those pictures previously and wanted to see if there was anything I could find out about the blue part which person says is his. It said, we are not taking registrations at this time. Log I put in was correct.
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inheritancetrack · 04/01/2022 20:27

[quote ShiftingSands21]Gov.uk website led me here eservices.landregistry.gov.uk/eservices/FindAProperty/view/QuickEnquiryInit.do[/quote]
I'll try this tomorrow x

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inheritancetrack · 04/01/2022 20:32

thanks for the helpful messages I'll look through again tomorrow, and do some more research. hope the bigger pic shows

We are having a property dispute. Land registry not much help. PIC
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chesirecat99 · 04/01/2022 20:35

I got those pictures previously and wanted to see if there was anything I could find out about the blue part which person says is his. It said, we are not taking registrations at this time. Log I put in was correct.

That rings a bell... As I said in my PP, if you haven't used the account for a year, it will be deleted but I have a feeling you get a weird error message that includes something about not accepting new registrations if you try to use an old account that is no longer valid. Just start afresh by setting up a new account from the homepage as if you never had an account.