house buying - fair price for fittings and fixtures?

[acathy]

I'm buying, and selling, and wondered how you hit on a fair price for fixtures and fittings. You're advise to find out what prices items fetch second hand, but I can't find any of mine listed for sale. Could people advise on a percentage - if you were offered a nearly new cooker retailing at £1,400 new, would you expect to pay half the value, two thirds, three quarters? Same question for a £300 washing machine. Any thoughts hugely welcome

Large kitchen appliances should come with the kitchen. A cooker is generally included in the price you are paying for the property. Same with fridge, freezer and dishwasher.

So nothing extra.

You can offer them to your purchaser and they may or may not want them. Do not expect a lot for second hand goods as people often don’t want them. Be prepared to take them with you.

I was going to say that integrated stay anyway

I would only expect a fridge, a freezer and a dishwasher to be left if they were integrated.

I'd expect a cooker and any integrated appliances to be left without paying any extra. If they weren't I'd say 'ok, take them with you' as I'd rather buy a new oven with a warranty than pay for a one that might not last ten minutes. Also, they might leave them anyway.

@acathy when you say cooker, you mean a freestanding range I assume?

A friend of mine just paid a grand for fixtures fittings and quite a bit of good quality furniture. It suited her and the vendor, but was unusual.
There was a thread on here a while back when the vendor wanted £300 for their old curtains!

OP unless you cooker was very, very nearly new (like less than a year) I'd be really reluctant to pay more than say 30% of the RRP. I think I'd rather save my money and buy myself something new.

£300 washing machine....in a transaction worth presumably hundreds of thousands of £££s, (based on the fact you've put in a cooker of £1,300), wouldn't you rather just leave it out of goodwill??

It used to be normal, possible before the era of Ikea

My dishwasher, washing machine and fridge freezer are not integrated and will be coming with me when I move. The cooker I will be leaving but it's nothing special

Selling my house at the moment and I have offered to leave a few items of storage, dining table (too big for new place) and curtains (made to measure). I've said I don't want any money for any of it.

Also leaving the cooker but it's pretty knackered and 15 years old so although fully functional I wouldn't ask anyone to pay for it!

What other people have said. As a rule thumb, I would expect a reduction of 70% of the RRP for a nearly new appliance. That's more of less what they would sell for on eBay and even so, you may struggle to get that for non luxury brands.

I’d want you to get rid of your crappy cooker. That’s a cost to the buyer to dispose of it!

@Daisydoesnt

OP unless you cooker was very, very nearly new (like less than a year) I'd be really reluctant to pay more than say 30% of the RRP. I think I'd rather save my money and buy myself something new.

£300 washing machine....in a transaction worth presumably hundreds of thousands of £££s, (based on the fact you've put in a cooker of £1,300), wouldn't you rather just leave it out of goodwill??

Sorry, confusing info, the place I'm buying has the expensive cooker, and they are asking for £1,000 on a retail price of £1,400 The washing machine is in the place I'm selling, where I'm giving the buyers my cooker and hob, and dishwasher, free, (and they get an almost new Vaillaint boiler) but people have been suggesting I ask a nominal sum for the virtually brand new fridge and washing machine (less than 6 months old) and when I was asked to pay a grand for a cooker in my new place...

I'd expect all the big appliances in the kitchen to be left, including free standing range cookers and fridge freezer. Would not expect the be asked to pay more on top of the agreed asking price.

I would want to know how old the range cooker is before I considered paying anything towards it.

Washing machines are a lot of hassle to move so £50 if it was relatively new.

I wouldn't say you were giving the buyers the appliances for free either. They're included in the fitted kitchen.

I'm leaving everything. The curtains and blinds are made to measure, and if the buyers don't want the curtains I'll take them rather than have them throw them away.
Unless something was of particular high value I'd expect it to be included unless specifically told early on in negotiations. But frankly unless it's a great aga or something I'd rather buy new. Chances are they will be left anyway.

I think the items that make the house useable should be included. We've always left the cooker and fridge although it's backfired because we've always been left a filthy cooker never a fridge!
The last house we sold our dishwasher was only a few months old, we'd have used it in the new house but our buyers offered to buy it along with a few other bits.

A friend bought a house and her sellers took virtually everything. Integrated appliances, shower screens, toilet seats, light fittings. They'd replaced the taps and sockets that had been coloured to go with the decor with cheap crappy ones.

You can't be considering a boiler as an additional extra! It's part of the house. Thats like selling a car and charging extra for the seats.

Only offer to leave for a fee stuff that you won't need in your new place and would expect to be able to sell off second hand if you take with you. Offer a sale price that is about 20% lower than you would expect to sell for because you won't have the hassle of finding and dealing with another buyer. Anything that you wouldn't expect to find a buyer for easily then offer it included for free, don't be greedy. Anything that the buyers don't want, make sure you remove though. Don't make them responsible for disposing of your unwanted goods that you can't find a buyer for.

As a buyer, feel free to say no thanks to anything you don't like or think is priced too high.

Cookers, like sofas, are priced so high because the huge variety on offer means the manufacturers can't get much in economies of scale for making loads of identical ones. Like sofas, the second hand value is extremely low.

We paid £700 for:

• convection tumble dryer (that we’ve never used!)
• good quality washing machine
• dishwasher (don’t think amazing quality, but does the job fine)
• good quality American style fridge freezer
• blinds / curtains throughout
• John Lewis dining table, two chairs and a bench
• two bedside tables

None of the above was over four years old. Personally, I feel we got a decent price but it also suited our vendor who was moving in with a partner and didn’t need any furniture or white goods and didn’t have time / couldn’t be bothered to sell them. I think a lot of it comes down to individual situations as much as the items themselves eg does the vendor have any other use for the items? Is the vendor willing / able to sell them to anyone else or do they have too much else on to bother? And of course how much the vendor needs the money / how greedy they are.

I would include everything being left behind in the price, and not quibble about it. Our shelves, cooker, shed etc, all of which were technically F&F but basically belonged to the house, caused stupid drawn out bargaining and bad feeling in a sale everyone was trying to hurry along. It's an estate agents game to start asking for more money after you've already agreed a deal.
You would be lucky to get 25% of the new value unless something practically still has the labels on.

It's difficult when your seller is playing a different game. 1/3 of the new price is standard for something secondhand. IF you want it.

I think the buyer has the upper hand, as from the sellers POV it is often easier to leave stuff behind that may not fit into their new home. Taking a national average in England of just under 1/4 million a few 2nd hand appliances are irrelevant, and some 'cheap' curtains etc just an annoyance.