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Very tricky dream house - WWYD?

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PropertyDIYNC · 30/11/2020 17:09

Sorry, this is really long. TL;DR - dream home. DH &I Would happily live there until we die. Loads of hidden issues including asbestos. Worth proceeding at a discount or just walk away?

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As house prices rose this year, we found ourselves in the very fortunate position of being able to sell our house, pay off the mortgage and downsize a bit meaning we'd be insured a bit against possible job losses post-covid.
Our criteria were somewhere in easy reach of the kids schools, two bathrooms, and a back garden. And then we found the dream house. It didn't fit any of the criteria, but we walked in and felt at home. It's an untouched midcentury masterpiece, with a real sense of calm and peace. It's not listed (yet) but on the council's local list of properties of significant architectural interest and in a conservation area. (This becomes relevant later)
Our offer was accepted and we thought we could use savings, and extra money from no mortgage to convert the garage/put in a small extension to get an extra shower room.
We expected it would need a reasonable amount of work, and survey confirmed this but also said it needs a new roof. The roof is the shape of a wave and is clad in weathered copper. Finding someone who has the expertise to do this has been tricky. Not one roofing company has been able to even source the amount of copper required, and even if they could, the cost would be prohibitive. There would also likely be all sorts of council dealings and delays to get the roof looking as close to the original as possible, whilst also meeting current building regulations.
So far, so good-ish. We fix the roof, and have to wait for a downstairs toilet etc.
Today we have found out after our solicitor chased the vendor's solicitor for a missing seller information pack that there isn't one. The property is being sold as seen. No questions answered. We kind of understand. The elderly owner has gone in to a home and her adult son, who lives at the other end of the country probably has no idea when the boiler was last serviced etc. On the other hand I'm fuming that no one thought to mention this until AFTER we'd had a homebuyer's report done rather than full survey, and we'll be stuck with a load of unwanted furniture including a sodding grand piano!
On top of that, I've just heard from the asbestos surveyor that the place is riddled with the stuff. Debris in the attic, it's in the air vented heating system, the kitchen cupboard, the airing cupboard and probably the ceilings and walls but as we don't yet own the property, they can't do destructive tests to confirm it.
The 'hidden' work that needs doing is now heading for 20% of the purchase price, we'd have to rent whilst it was being done, and it's likely to destroy many of the original features we love and wanted the house for.

So what would you do; walk away and find another house that would never live up to this one (I'm not really being melodramatic, this house is utterly unique and all the other housing stock round here are variations on a theme) , or try to renegotiate on price and try to salvage the dream?

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DancingQueen2018 · 30/11/2020 17:12

It’s got to be worth a try if it’s your dream house. But have a figure in mind and stick to it!

Fern204 · 30/11/2020 17:14

It sounds amazing, but it also sounds like it would be a huge money pit. If the plan was to simplify your finances, this house sounds like it would add ongoing complications and you mainly not have the finance to make the best of the house.
Hard as it might be, I would walk away.

Joditaylorfan · 30/11/2020 17:15

Walk away. Sorry.

StillSmallVoice · 30/11/2020 17:21

I'd love to see a link to the Rightmove!

SJaneS49 · 30/11/2020 17:24

Also a walk away, these are big, timely and expensive problems

Sometimesonly · 30/11/2020 17:24

The asbestos would put me off. Last year a colleague of mine died, probably from asbestos from living in a home where they thought it had all been safely removed. Scary stuff.

Hawkins001 · 30/11/2020 17:28

Worse case, try to renegotiate the price based on all the factors of improvement it needs, then if that fails you could walk away, otherwise if pritty much does need replacing, it sounds like you would end up with a period shell, with everything inside basically newly built.

wonkylegs · 30/11/2020 17:28

If you love it, then stick on your adult head and sit down and look the feasibility properly.
Asbestos scares the hell out of people however it's in more houses than people realise and often it can be encapsulated rather than removed to make safe.
My dads house is a one of 60's architect designed house and it's stunning, with stunning views but over the years it has been a headache with undisclosed problems (previous owners purposely deceived and covered up things before sale though so slightly different and it ended up in court)
It had asbestos that has been partially removed but partially encapsulated since dads had it - the asbestos work wasn't too bad although he was horrified when he found out. He also has a 'different' roof - cedar shingles and found it was tough to find people to do repairs however he has had them done.
It's not a cheap house to own and you do have to go into it a bit with the heart mentality but also the understanding it will cost money but more importantly will take effort to own a property like this.
You'd think it would help that his daughter is an architect but he's crap at taking my advice and usually waits until he's tried every other Avenue (stubborn)
It is a beautiful house though and even though it's too big and he always says he's going to downsize, he's never found anywhere else he could love as much.

wonkylegs · 30/11/2020 17:34

You will need a specialist for the roof try someone from the trade association they will have the specialist knowledge and will be able to tell you about the options available from repair to replacement - I would get more than one persons advice copperalliance.org.uk/about-copper/applications/architecture/copper-roofing-contractors/

PropertyDIYNC · 30/11/2020 17:44

Oh that's terrifying and tragic, Sometimesonly!

Here's a link StillSmallVoice You're all going to say I'm on glue because the photos do it no justice AT ALL, but there is really something about the place. www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/94656716#/

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PropertyDIYNC · 30/11/2020 17:46

Thanks for the excellent advice Wonkylegs

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Sometimesonly · 30/11/2020 17:57

I can see why you like it OP - it is lovely.

Flibbitygibbit · 30/11/2020 17:58

Have you put the right link on OP as that is bloody lovely!

PropertyDIYNC · 30/11/2020 18:03

Yes, right link, and it really is nicer IRL! I've lived within a couple of miles of here most of my life - I love it, and everything else is Victorian/Edwardian terrace, 30's semis (pretty rare) or new build. Nothing wrong with any of them, but this one really stands out as different, despite all the compromises we'd have to make even before the roof & asbestos problems became apparent.

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wonkylegs · 30/11/2020 18:03

@PropertyDIYNC
Ahh love it
I even know where it is, we used to live in Gosforth although I now live down near Darlington.

PropertyDIYNC · 30/11/2020 18:12

Hello Wonky! We're in Gosforth now.

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StillSmallVoice · 30/11/2020 18:18

@PropertyDIYNC definitely not on glue. That's fabulous. The kitchen even looks original! You have a real dilemma there.

Labobo · 30/11/2020 18:19

Our dream house turned out to have asbestos. We just lowered the price by the amount it cost us to remove it - no more or less.

WRT the roof - have you asked the neighbours who they have used for their roofs in the past? And is the roof actually leaking? If not, I'd just leave it until it needs real attention. Lots of home buyers surveys say all sorts of things to cover all bases. Doesn't mean they need doing immediately.

I love that living room. Gorgeous. And I know where that house is. On the edge of maybe the most beautiful city centre park ever. Fingers crossed for you.

Obviouslynotallthere · 30/11/2020 18:43

I live in a weird 70s ranch style house UK. Used to have air heating with inlet pipes of asbestos. The air heating has gone but air ducting remains, not worth disturbing. Asbestos in garage ceiling, we'll get that removed in the next year or two. Asbestos in oriel windows. We will seal those in.
Asbestos is in most homes pre 1990s to varying degrees.

user1471538283 · 30/11/2020 19:01

It is lovely! I would reduce the offer though and it sounds like it might be a bit of a money pit. Goodness knows what's behind that wood cladding ...

bloodylongdrive · 30/11/2020 19:03

We are currently buying. a hose and my DH found his "dream home" loads of unique period features that would need specialist tradesmen ornate plaster experts etc and on paper it was everything he'd always wanted, the EA told us it was suitable to "live in".
When we went to see it although I could clearly see it could be amazing it was a massive money pit. It was cheap for what it was for that reason. Yes you could "live in it" but you could live in a cave if you had to but would you want too? My DH works in the building industry and knows a lots about building work, in particular grade 1 listed building, structural work etc and as much as he loved it he could see it would be a massive project and would probably kill us trying to sort it out or we would kill each other.
What ever you think it's going to cost double it at the very least. Can you really afford it? Do you want to spend many months maybe years sorting it out? Once conservation officers become involved it could turn into a nightmare.
My DH luckily didn't let his heart rule his head and we walked away and found another "dream home" instead that doesn't need any work on it.

PropertyDIYNC · 30/11/2020 20:59

Thank you for all your opinions and advice. We've spent this evening trawling Rightmove. I think we'll wait for the full asbestos report, make a significantly lower offer and sadly walk away if we can't agree a price with the vendor that makes the work plus knock on costs and contingency doable. Sad

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MarthaWashingtonsFeralTomcat · 30/11/2020 21:03

I think you need to accept that a house like that is a real lifestyle choice.

It's likely to be a money pit, and a time pit too! It depends how much you love it I suppose.

I'd love to go there as a holiday house, but prefer easier living than that (sorry).

thegcatsmother · 30/11/2020 21:10

Be very sure about those pine ceilings. Our married quarter abroad had those, and it got so bloody depressing as they sucked up all the light in winter. I found them really oppressive.

Reggieflow · 30/11/2020 21:33

Ugh I love it. I am a total sucker for 60’s properties, I really love them and can see so much potential in that one to be truly amazing. It’s a tough decision. I live in a grade 1 listed house that was at the very limit of what we could afford (thanks pregnancy horomones) and I live in fear of a major repair that we cannot pay for. Definitely worth asking for a reduction in price