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Very tricky dream house - WWYD?

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PropertyDIYNC · 30/11/2020 17:09

Sorry, this is really long. TL;DR - dream home. DH &I Would happily live there until we die. Loads of hidden issues including asbestos. Worth proceeding at a discount or just walk away?

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As house prices rose this year, we found ourselves in the very fortunate position of being able to sell our house, pay off the mortgage and downsize a bit meaning we'd be insured a bit against possible job losses post-covid.
Our criteria were somewhere in easy reach of the kids schools, two bathrooms, and a back garden. And then we found the dream house. It didn't fit any of the criteria, but we walked in and felt at home. It's an untouched midcentury masterpiece, with a real sense of calm and peace. It's not listed (yet) but on the council's local list of properties of significant architectural interest and in a conservation area. (This becomes relevant later)
Our offer was accepted and we thought we could use savings, and extra money from no mortgage to convert the garage/put in a small extension to get an extra shower room.
We expected it would need a reasonable amount of work, and survey confirmed this but also said it needs a new roof. The roof is the shape of a wave and is clad in weathered copper. Finding someone who has the expertise to do this has been tricky. Not one roofing company has been able to even source the amount of copper required, and even if they could, the cost would be prohibitive. There would also likely be all sorts of council dealings and delays to get the roof looking as close to the original as possible, whilst also meeting current building regulations.
So far, so good-ish. We fix the roof, and have to wait for a downstairs toilet etc.
Today we have found out after our solicitor chased the vendor's solicitor for a missing seller information pack that there isn't one. The property is being sold as seen. No questions answered. We kind of understand. The elderly owner has gone in to a home and her adult son, who lives at the other end of the country probably has no idea when the boiler was last serviced etc. On the other hand I'm fuming that no one thought to mention this until AFTER we'd had a homebuyer's report done rather than full survey, and we'll be stuck with a load of unwanted furniture including a sodding grand piano!
On top of that, I've just heard from the asbestos surveyor that the place is riddled with the stuff. Debris in the attic, it's in the air vented heating system, the kitchen cupboard, the airing cupboard and probably the ceilings and walls but as we don't yet own the property, they can't do destructive tests to confirm it.
The 'hidden' work that needs doing is now heading for 20% of the purchase price, we'd have to rent whilst it was being done, and it's likely to destroy many of the original features we love and wanted the house for.

So what would you do; walk away and find another house that would never live up to this one (I'm not really being melodramatic, this house is utterly unique and all the other housing stock round here are variations on a theme) , or try to renegotiate on price and try to salvage the dream?

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uptoongirl · 02/12/2020 10:55

Lovely house, not far away from me. I get why you're so conflicted, not helped by the fact that houses that aren't Victorian (or there abouts) are pretty rare in Jesmond/Gosforth etc and those that aren't generally have a hefty price tag!

I supposed it depends on how 'up for it' you are. Were you looking for a project, are you prepared for costs possibly spiraling? You mentioned you would happily live there forever which makes me think if you can make it happen you should do it!

Bipbopbee · 02/12/2020 11:58

I think if it was me OP regarding the Asbestos, I would try to contact the next door neighbours to see what they have done.
I imagine if the houses were built by the same architect then there would be the same amount of asbestos in their houses too. They could well have a lot more information about it than you are able to get anytime soon.
Really difficult with your 16 y/o being tested for Covid as you are all now having to isolate, but could one of your friends write and pop some letters through the neighbours’ doors asking them about the asbestos and to please give you a ring?

Also regarding the roof there might be a possibility that the council could award you a small grant to have it replaced, seeing as it’s of local architectural importance.

species5618 · 02/12/2020 12:42

Sorry OP - I'm in the minority here and I'm not trying to be negative really struggling to see what is so attractive about this property. Stairs in the living room would put me off for a start
Lovely downstairs floor, but that's about it!
Perhaps it's the photos, but the rear garden seems very small and when you put in a little extension may well feel a bit oppressive?
Add in all the work, new kitchen (not strictly necessary I know), polystyrene ceilings, all that wood, separate WC upstairs - seems like a lot of work to get a copper roof Smile.
Is it double glazed by the way?

SecretOfChange · 02/12/2020 12:57

I think your decision to negotiate the price and possibly walk away is the right one.

What is your lifestyle like? Would you enjoy doing an ongoing renovation and home improvements for the next 3 to 5 years? Or would you rather be outdoors or doing other projects or hobbies? It is a massive commitment, almost life changing. If I had a choice, I wouldn't want to spend years of my life doing the house up. As it stands, ironically, I am doing a renovation right now but only because this is my first house and I wouldn't be able to afford a house that's already done up.

However if you enjoy the process of renovation, love the house and can afford it, then go for it. You only live once and life is for living.

BurningTheToast · 03/12/2020 05:02

It's a lovely house and I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

WRT the roof - the neighbours appear to have the same roof style so maybe you could chat to them about who they've used for repairs? Copper shouldn't be hard to fix though and it's more popular than people often think so finding a roofer who'd willing to work with it shouldn't be impossible.

As for the asbestos, as others have said, it can be encapsulated to keep you safe which is far less expensive and destructive than removing it. Do bear in mind that just like damp and timber companies who come out and tell you that you need £xxx amount of work done*, it's in an asbestos-surveying firm's interest to tell you that it's going to cost a fortune. It isn't in their interest to tell you that it can be encapsulated for a fraction of what they can charge you for removing it, is it?

We've done up a lot of houses but if you're at all nervous, I'd find a practical local architect who can advise you and deal with any applications for planning or listed building consent.

Good luck!

  • Our new house has damp in the kitchen that seems to be coming from the shower above. Damp company sent in a quote well into four figures for removing plaster, lining the internal wall with membrane and a load of other stuff. No mention of simply fixing the leak, letting it dry out over a few months and then making good the plaster because they don't make money out of that. We're going with the latter option...
Tavannach · 03/12/2020 05:38

If you look at the satellite view there's a block of flats (?) nearby with a copper roof which looks in better condition. Maybe find out who did any renovations there.

PropertyDIYNC · 02/03/2021 14:57

Quick update - we put in a significantly lower offer that was our walk away price and did not expect it to be accepted, but it was! We moved in to rented so our buyers could be sure to get the stamp duty discount and completed last week on the purchase. The architects are in today, measuring everything up, asbestos clearance starts next week, and then it's on to the roof. We can't wait to get in there and make it our home. Thank you for all your thoughts and advice. We may otherwise have walked away and lost out - nothing that has come up since has compared to this house. Smile

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Uptoongirl · 02/03/2021 15:03

Ah fantastic news, it was meant to be. How long do you think it will be until you can move in?

Love it when the op comes back with an update!

senua · 02/03/2021 15:06

Love it when the op comes back with an update!
Agreed, especially when it is such a happy one. Enjoy your new home!

PickAChew · 02/03/2021 15:09

So glad you got it. It'll scrub up beautifully. (in fact, that kitchen is almost fashionable again!) and it's a fab location.

Notavegan · 02/03/2021 15:14

I remember your thread! Congratulations on your new home

CityDweller · 02/03/2021 15:22

Having also lived in a mid-century masterpiece I can totally see why you did this OP. I would have too and I hope you have a great time renovating it. Bags and bags of potential there and I think you won’t regret it.

Countrysidebloos · 02/03/2021 16:11

It's amazing!

It's a full renovation so those things you listed wouldn't worry me as I'd expect to rip everything out anyway.

PickAChew · 02/03/2021 16:14

That floor is absolutely stunning. If it's not just deceptive in the pics, that's worth keeping or selling.

mathanxiety · 02/03/2021 16:35

Call a pause here. Insist on a proper survey, and find a contractor who specializes in mid century rehabs (they exist - contact architect associations) and an engineer to physically walk through with you and give a realistic costing.

If the seller's rep won't cooperate then you can probably research the house ( look up the architect and the LA records) and get a mid century rehabber to look at plans and estimate the cost of all the necessary repairs. Add at least 50k to the estimate.

Then renegotiate the price, armed with your estimates. You will need a significant reduction in price to make this worthwhile.

mathanxiety · 02/03/2021 16:41

Too late 🙂

ktp100 · 02/03/2021 16:44

We must have awfully different taste OP cus it looks hideous from those photos! It's a cement looking box full of ugly wood and that kitchen!!! It looks like literally everything needs gutting.

I understand how it is buying a house that needs work. Our house is listed, very old (Jacobian, built 1690) and everything is a bit short, wonky and thick walled. We need to rewire, 2 new bathrooms, new kitchen etc but the full survey showed that the bones were good so work could be done over a long time frame.

Asbestos is an immediate problem. As is the roof. If the vendor won't reduce the price to include these I wouldn't walk away, I'd run!!

If you're not careful your dream home could become a nightmare.

MaudsMotorbike · 02/03/2021 16:49

No advice per se, but yes, that is a lovely house. We bought a midcentury modern detatched house last year. Like you, we knew it needed work (although not asbestos thankfully) and it's only since we've moved in we've realised how tricky that work would be and how much it would cost (at least double what we'd budgeted originally, as it turns out). BUT, here's the thing: we love it. Even with all its glaring faults and the six figure renovation we're going to have to do at some point... it's just a beautiful place to be. Like yours, it was properly designed by an architect who knew what they were about - the light floods in and it changes hour by hour as the sun moves around. No regrets. Good luck!

PropertyDIYNC · 02/03/2021 18:38

Thanks everyone. Yes our architect is a specialist in this type of architecture, no the house is really not for everyone and I can totally see why lots of people would think it was ugly as sin, and yes we negotiated a discount that leaves us way more than you'd think would ever be necessary to sort everything out, but we're prepared to spend it all and more. We're in it for the long haul to take the original features that can be saved back to their original beauty and renovate everything else in keeping with the style but also work for modern family life.
The floor is solid wood PickAChew. It was v exciting to see it extends under the dining room carpet... It's not going anywhere!

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Shineonyoucrazy · 02/03/2021 19:01

It's gorgeous. Reminds me of the 1960 house I grew up in. Good luck with your renovations.

Handsnotwands · 03/03/2021 19:48

It’s amazing! Congratulations

I’m in a few mid century enthusiasts (!) groups on Facebook. You should join for all sorts of inspiration

(Keep the kitchen!)

InescapableDeath · 03/03/2021 21:29

I think it's lovely - congrats!

BustPipes · 03/03/2021 21:35

Definitely keep the kitchen - can't believe someone suggested ripping it out!

Best of luck OP - hope you manage to get it comfortable and practical without too much damage to either the existing features or your bank balance.

CoffeeRunner · 03/03/2021 21:43

I love it! I would normally run a million miles from a flat roof as my childhood home had one & there was always some part or other leaking - but that house does have something about it.

I’d stick with it if budgets allow.

CoffeeRunner · 03/03/2021 21:46

Argh! Didn’t see the update!

Congratulations. Lovely house Grin.

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