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Why are so many tradesmen absolute s***

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faelavie · 03/11/2020 10:46

It really boils my p*ss.

My house needs new fascias and soffits and a roof tile replaced as we're getting a lot of damp and now a leak in the bedroom. Posted an ad online, a roofer offered to come and provide a quote which he did. Organised a date to do the work. Paid a deposit.
On the day, the roofer cancelled as he said his apprentice let him down and he can't do the work alone. He said he'd contact us to rearrange.
Fair enough, these things happen.
A week later, no contact, no replies to texts or calls.

This isn't the first time I've had this kind of thing with tradesmen, and I'm just wondering why this business is full of such practices??

And yes I know there are good tradesmen out there - and that you have to hold onto them like gold dust.
And yes I know that there are some horrible clients out there too. I work with the general public and I know how rubbish that can be.

But how difficult is it to just get back to people or just send a quick text to update them on what's going on? Instead of constant radio silence.

If you don't want to do the work, if you're too busy, etc etc - just f'ing tell me and return my deposit so I can find someone else!

Jesus tittyf*ing Christ

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earsup · 05/11/2020 14:05

It's a mixed bag...I had heating done by uk guys...invited me to look at previous jobs..were reliable and good price etc...had some uk plasterers who took huge breaks and sat in pub...i fired them...found some lovely albanians to finish the job...punctual etc...i dont think you can generalise about nationalities...i didnt mean to do that in previous post...its the no show thats the most annoying and no communication etc....wherever they are from..my local fb group has good people but there are some bad ones related to the admin...so thats one to be wary of...!!..any bad reviews about them get removed etc..!!

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 05/11/2020 15:19

Problem is there’s no governing body for general building work- and it’s very easy to close and open companies

Kazzyhoward · 05/11/2020 16:35

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

Problem is there’s no governing body for general building work- and it’s very easy to close and open companies
Even governing bodies doesn't mean reliable/competent unfortunately. We've had a couple of Gas-safe heating engineers who've been woeful - one fitted a gas fire in our lounge and nearly killed us with noxious fumes (he didn't fit the vent properly). Another fitted a new gas boiler and didn't do the basic checks, such as gas pressure, and left us with two water leaks due to dodgy pipework. Both were reported to Gas safe who basically didn't do anything - both are still plying their trade to other unsuspecting "victims".
OnlyFoolsnMothers · 05/11/2020 16:45

Kazzyhoward omg that’s awful you poor things

WombatChocolate · 05/11/2020 18:03

I had a bizarre encounter with a builder. He was project managing an improvement to our loft extension and installation of an en-suite. We made a point of communicating with him in writing at the quote stage and he said he understood we wanted full information ahead of any changes in price and to kept up to date with plans for the week aheads work, and he understood we were relying on him for all the relevant info.

But then, no information, extra costs appeared once jobs had already been done and extra regulations that would require costs and signing off emerged. Several aspects of the job were sub-standard.

We always communicated by email, were polite and clear and referenced what he had agreed at the outset......and his responses were bizarrely rude and furious. It was astonishing how angry he got when every point we raised was valid and done politely and allowing opportunities for things to be put right.

It was this that I found most unacceptable and I’ve heard similar from others.

They appear decent, friendly and professional when quoting and on first meeting, but once the job is underway, communication vanishes and willingness to engage in discussion about the quality of work in an adult way seems missing. Everything is taken totally personally and there is a lack of professionalism in handling the issues which will inevitably crop up when trades are involved.

I think a number of tradesmen are bullies, lack communication skills and don’t really know what professionalism means. Quite often I think that they don’t like dealing with women and have little respect for their clients or the quality of their own work.

It’s funny because in most other areas of life, these poor qualities have gradually vanished and there has been an increase in professionalism and customer service. But here we have the last bastion of shoddy service which was widespread in the 70s still alive and kicking.

Until there is regulation (unlikely) or a more reliable review mechanism, i think these problems will continue.

And it’s interesting about the education system not valuing trades and meaning that people who lack education and in a connected-way probably lack skills of communication and efficiency are those who end up going into the trades (generalising of course)

I wonder if over time, bigger firms who can guarantee a decent and reliable service, even at a higher price will emerge to dominate the market and drive the smaller tradesmen out....in the same way the chains have come to dominate carpet fitting, kitchen fitting and boiler fitting. When you call the British Gas engineer through their call centre, you know you’ll pay more but also that their person will clean up, will turn up and will have a list of requirements from Brirtish Gas as minimum standards.....they are not left to their own devices but tightly controlled. It may we’ll be the future.

Rollercoaster1920 · 05/11/2020 18:19

John Lewis tried that - read the reviews.

tissueboxx · 05/11/2020 18:31

Completely agree. We're having a similar issue, lack of communication is such an annoying trait. Dh deals with a lot of tradesmen through work and says many of them are the same.

Fluffmonkey82 · 05/11/2020 18:38

I totally agree, I hate dealing with tradesmen, the majority of ones I have come across have been so arrogant. I am needing roughcasting done so contacted a company I saw doing work on a house local to me. When I phoned the guy said he would come round on Friday to have a look, surprise surprise he didn't turn up but he did turn up unexpectedly the following Friday. He had a look and said he would email me a quote and then rather cheekily asked me how I found out about him. Told him it was from the advertising he has on the property he is currently doing. Felt like saying if you don't want people contacting you why do you advertise your services! Needless to say I never got a quote and probably would have looked for someone else anyway. I have joined a local community facebook page where people are always looking for recommendations and lots are given this is the route I am going to take when I get round to looking for tradesmen for all the jobs I need doing!

Mancala57 · 05/11/2020 23:10

The only time I have paid a deposit was the first agreed stage of a kitchen extension before any work began. Never for a smallish job.

I once had a plasterer do the first stage of a rewire, and after asking me for house keys several times (I said no) he then fucked off and sent a text saying someone had died. So basically left mid job.

I have had roofers say they will do a repair and then not appear for days, and then text out of the blue saying they will be there in 5 mins to do the work ie no discussion re when would actually be a mutually convenient time.

I had a roofer just leave scaffolding up for a month after finishing the work with radio silence.

I have had a tradesman rip up wood flooring whilst I was not there to try to tell me I had dry rot and needed to replace the entire ground floor, which was utter bollocks.

It's exhausting.

78percentLindt · 06/11/2020 10:21

@Fluffmonkey82 Trouble with using local FB and NextDoor is that you often get the workman s family members recommending them enthusiastically it's ok if the say "my husband is a carpenter and can do your job" but often they don't so it looks like a genuine recommendation. When streetlife was going , there was someone who piled in on every request to say that X had done a similar job for her and it was wonderful and he was cheap. Someone eventually pointed out she was his DM and he was pretty poor.

Goonergirl14 · 06/11/2020 10:29

Thanks for this 78percent I will definitely keep this in mind.

DrGachet · 06/11/2020 10:47

Aren't the reviews moderated on MyBuilder? So if you leave a negative review it doesn't get published?

I got a rec. from on here a few years ago for a tradesman on Mybuilder, and looking back I think he may have been recommending himself. One day he built a run of units along my back door, so blocking it. He also used silicone (?!) instead of screws in some places.

I think we were on day 2 of the 3 week job when he didn't turn up, when I eventually I got hold of him, he gave me a bullshit story about an emergency job, then changed his story and said he'd had to go to a town hundreds of miles away for some kind of family emergency. When he next turned up for work, he promptly burst into tears and said he didn't get along with his wife Confused

I still feel vaguely irritated when I look around my newish kitchen and notice all the wonky bits. I'd leave a bad review if MyBuilder would publish it, but tradesmen pay to be on there, so it won't be.

LividLaughLurve · 06/11/2020 10:50

In the past three months:

*Electricians to fix a broken bathroom light fitting who couldn’t figure out why it wasn’t working. Called in their “expert friend” who pointed out the fuse had blown. They charged me an extra £20 for complexity of job.

*Painter who talked like he’d make my walls sparkle with diamonds. Instead sent his mate who he “trusted with his life” who did such a notch job original guy had to come and go over it.

*Next door is having a reroof. Tiny terrace. Been up there now I shit you not five weeks. Banging away while husband tries to wfh and I try to occupy baby. All fine until this weekend when we are awoken at 5am by a waterfall in OUR hall, suspiciously next to area where neighbour’s roof is in pieces. I go out to speak to them. They refuse to accept it's anything to do with them. I have to find my own cowboy roofer, which takes a full week of missed appointments, because other than calling the police or taking them to court (not a clue who they are) what else can I do?

Fucking pillocks.

In contrast, had a female gardener over summer who replied to messages, turned up when she said she would, did a lovely job and was a general delight. Have recommended her to anyone who’ll listen. Same re excellent appliance repairman who turns up when he says he will, fiddles with what’s broken until it isn’t and charges you a fair price.

Beebumble2 · 06/11/2020 10:56

We’re refurbishing a bathroom in our old house, refurb is something we’ve always done.
Fortunately DH is very good at DIY, he’s a professional in another area of construction. This time we thought ‘get the trades in’. Our electrician was local and fabulous. The job was complex and involved the main electrical intake. ( done by the electrical provider).
But getting a plumber to return calls is impossible, even those personally recommended. So poor DH is fitting a bathroom again for about the 10th time.
Anything involving gas we go straight to BG, not cheap but at least they turn up and do the job.

RugbyWidow7 · 07/11/2020 22:06

I had a carpet fitter come to quote - date and time then agreed to do the work. On the morning, no sign of him. I called and called him. He finally called me back, with seemingly no recollection of who I was, and said his assistant had let him down and that he'd come in a week's time. I do wonder if this is the standard excuse used when they don't want to do the job or have forgotten... I'm giving him the BOTD, but don't feel confident he'll show up after lots of similar previous experiences.

elprup · 07/11/2020 22:39

When you call the British Gas engineer through their call centre, you know you’ll pay more but also that their person will clean up, will turn up and will have a list of requirements from Brirtish Gas as minimum standards

I hate to say it, but I once had a really poor experience with British Gas! I have used a local company to service my boiler ever since and have not had any problems so far. It’s such a lottery.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 07/11/2020 22:39

Anything involving gas we go straight to BG, not cheap but at least they turn up and do the job nope BG failed to turn up and replace a boiler for me when promised, local firm did the job for half the price

Livelovebehappy · 07/11/2020 23:57

My DH is a painter and decorator, but trained late in life after being a manager in a manufacturing business. He doesn’t have to advertise now as most of his work comes via word of mouth. He attends every quote request, sends quotes within a couple of days, and will give people realistic timescales for when he can fit work in. I think that’s probably on the back of working for a company before so had a better work ethic. We need our roof fixing - I’ve contacted 10 over the last couple of weeks. Half didn’t answer my emails/voice messages, 4 came to look and promised to send a quote but didn’t, and the last one came when he said, emailed me a quote within 48 hours, which I accepted, and he has given me a start date in the new year. If someone doesn’t get back to me with a quote, I refuse to chase them.

BluebellsGreenbells · 08/11/2020 00:06

I wonder if these people actually think we believe their lies?

I mean how many family emergencies and deaths or no shows can there be? I’ve heard them all!!

Shoddy tradesmen are awful and think they have the gift or the gab or charm the birds from the trees! They can’t. Get real and do a days work.

SuperFairy · 08/11/2020 10:14

Getting decent tradesmen is a nightmare!

I never use MyBuilder or similar, have read such bad reviews of these types of sites.

I tend to use google and touch wood have been lucky so far, found a brilliant landscape gardener a few years ago, just starting out so no website but he was fab.

Last year our roof leaked and I took a punt on the local roofer in town, he has been absolutely amazing, popping around to make repairs before replacing the whole lot last year. I can’t recommend him highly enough, he sorted the scaffolders, skips etc so I can’t comment on those.

We have builders (hopefully!!) arriving on Tuesday to start the kitchen, again just from google, let’s hope my luck continues!

Dreamline · 15/12/2020 11:08

Peter from Warsaw, does he do tiling, and, can you forward contact details? Does he have a website, and other customer feedback online? Thanks!

faelavie · 15/12/2020 12:45

Just an update, my roofer did eventuay turn up and do the work, so I didn't get scammed. Really can't be bothered with contacting future tradesmen though and there's more work to be done elsewhere in the house! Confused

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Timbucktime · 15/12/2020 13:45

I had similar. Asked a tradesman for a quote as they were recommended to me. All fine, came and looked but I did have to chase one for the quote.
Gave me the quote straight after I text and also apologised. I replied within 24 hrs saying yes please and that was it.
Tried contacting a few times over coming months but absolutely no response so I thought fine. I managed to find another company to do the work for quite a bit less money and guess who turned up to do the work. Yes, the original tradesman who had been subcontracted.

Quite awkward I will admit but his own fault for not bothering to communicate. He lost out on a few hundred pounds pay.

XingMing · 15/12/2020 16:02

Over the 23 years we've lived here, we've had the good, the bad, and the ugly. Right now, I have assembled a good line up of specialists when jobs happen but my favourites are always booked months ahead, though they'd help out in a real emergency. If someone says "I could do it next week", I'd worry that the work would be poor quality.

whataboutbob · 15/12/2020 17:52

Wow I’m getting such a sense of recognition from a lot of PPs horror stories. My mum got scammed by a builder who disappeared owing her £500 ( this was the 80s) justifying it by the fact that his wife had cancer (she didn’t). A good decade later he was in the local papers, finally in court after he scammed his elderly neighbour out of his life savings. I’ve had a plumber disappear on the job (fitting new shower tray in a rental property in a town two hours away). He assured me over the phone it was finished, he didn’t know I was actually at the property and it was far from finished. He disappeared for 6 weeks avoided calls and never answered emails, I had to pay someone else to finish the job. Then he re surfaced asking for more money . Told me his mother had died, I’m afraid I was not sympathetic. Any talk of illness ( tradesmen or family) gets the alarm bells ringing.

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