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CFN Parking issue

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Bekstar · 18/07/2018 23:50

I'm normally one of those who love a good parking thread. But just came back from holiday to a major issue with parking.

Basically I live in A rented property, my landlord is a housing association who owns most of the properties barring the one next door owned by my CF Neighbour.

She has had a long standing issue with our landlord as both her neighbours are landord properties it has also unwittingly meant we have been dragged into a few boundary issues in the past which we always direct back to landlord as really aren't our issue.

To cut a long story short we went on holiday for a week. Landlord asked if they could use our drive to park Work Vehicles as they were working on an empty house over the road, that they also own, that and one of those doing the work on behalf of landlord lives Next door on the otherside of us. His brother also lives in the one opposite us. Meaning the work vehicles are technically theirs but it would be pointless for them to drive back to the compound where they normally store them after the day's work considering they are working a door away from where they live. So we said they could use our driveway while we were away and within reason when we get back. They cannot use the driveway of property they are working on as there is scaffolding up and numerous large pieces of equipment as well as some of the driveway is been relaid. Anyway we arrived back to the scene shown in the picture attached.
Basically we only have one car but CFN has 3 and two family members who seem to have ditched thier cars, so all the light blue vehicles in the picture are theirs, the dark greeny blue ones are Work Vehicles and the dark blue one on NDN1 drive is neighbours own car, red is ours. As you can see landlord had put a Work vehicle on our driveway and then CFN has gone on to park one of theirs behind it (on our driveway) then block it in with another, as well as others dotted about. Meaning landlord cannot get thier vehicle out at moment and we have had to park on road in front of her house. We did authorise landlord to use drive but not these neighbours they don't get on with us and I can't understand why they feel the need to park there and what would possess them to, they can easily park on road outside house or even on grass in front of house, if they try hard enough driveway can fit three cars on plus an extra on grass. Landlord asked for use of our drive to avoid having so many vehicles parked on road as it does block access for bin crew etc if parked both sides. They would also have quite happily manouvered wherever we needed them too if we needed to be in however are now stuck. Landlords rep has asked her to move and she says "I can't I have had a drink" she has three sons all who drive as well as other drivers and won't even entertain moving it. Landlord has called police who have said they will attend tomorrow due to them preventing a work vehicle from leaving. They won't come out tonight as work is finished and not a priority.

I know how all you folk like a picture so have done my best with a pixel image. I haven't added other neighbours cars though but there are some mostly on driveways.
NDN1 is house with blue car and a work vehicle, he works for landlord but work vehicles normally go to a compound at night, he parked one on my drive one on his to avoid an uneccesary journey seen as he was working on house opposite.
The house opposite with all those funny yellow things is basically a building site that landlord is working on and nothing can be parked on it. The one next to that with the three Work Vehicles on drive and the one outside is my NDN1 brother who also works for landlord and has used his driveway for as many vehicles as he can.
The one next to my house with the light blue vehicle is offending neighbour, who has a drive big enough for three cars and a space on grass for 1. Without thier car on my drive or the one blocking it I would be easily have got parked.

WWYD as one workmen wants to build a fence in front of her car and landlords rep wants lads to bump it out way, however police have said to leave it until they arrive tomorrow. Hoping landlord has some clout with police cos this really takes the buscuit. Can't believe her cheek.

CFN Parking issue
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Whereismumhiding2 · 20/07/2018 00:21

You'd have to.say you are too intimidated to deal with it (or ring police) and you are frightened of repercussions from your verbally abusive neighbours. The 3 criteria for s.42 statutory safeguarding enquiry are - 1. is person in need of care & support (yes, need equipment as disabled wheelchair user & support in daily living from your DH), are you suffering abuse, (yes, hate crime and harrassment) and are you unable to take action to support yourself (i.e. reason above)

Whereismumhiding2 · 20/07/2018 00:23

(only if it's true of course, and reading your posts it suggests that is the case if they continue to block your access and you feel too intimidated to be able to protect yourself )

TheMaddHugger · 20/07/2018 01:49
BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 20/07/2018 05:38

Who does this often enough that they have checked with a solicitor whether this is a civil matter or not?
And while she may have checked the legality of her obstruction, no solicitor would recommend her to do it!

Ellie56 · 20/07/2018 07:51

Your CF neighbour sounds positively unhinged OP. How dare she prevent your wheelchair access?

Good advice above about hate crime and being targeted for being disabled.

Grin Grin at having to pay to get her cars out of the police pound! Serves her right!

Bekstar · 20/07/2018 08:17

I think that's what police are looking at adding something about disability into asbo etc, they said it would be better coming fron HA and Police rather than me, as then it becomes an issue of them been concerned about my safety rather than me complaining there are also two other disabled neighbours who she does similar things too. To be fair first time she has parked on my drive however she has blocked it before. Her argument is with HA because of a long standing issue she has had with them. We just the unwitting victims, She does it to all HA tenants nearby.

For some reason she has even brought up with police the fact that yesterday our HA rep ran my son to school Which is irrelevant to the issue he did it because Police had asked that we didn't move our vehicle while they took photos and he was going to be late. So the HA rep who my son is quite familiar with as he is our regular person to deal with offered to run him to school, it's a small place and his own kids go to same school, so he is also a fellow parent, so no other motive except making sure he got to school on time. But supposing ky to her it shows how we may be conspiring against her. Whereas in fact HA usually insist on dealing with any issues from her and keep our involvement to a limit.

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Bekstar · 20/07/2018 08:20

Breakfast I don't think she told her solicitor the full story to be honest. Either that or she googled it and made out she got it from a solicitor. Police said she is probably thinking about if a drive is empty and she blocks it then it would be a civil matter. However that's why they are considering writing some of it into her asbo

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BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 20/07/2018 08:37

It's such a shame that the HA agreed to sell to her all those years ago. They could have got rid of her by now.

Bekstar · 20/07/2018 08:56

Breakfast totally agree but HA where trying to do her a favour I think n give them a new start. When they first moved here they were quiet for a bit up until they bought it and now I think they feel they can do as they like however have been told whether she owns it herself or not she still has to behave decently and can still be evicted for anti social behaviour. Our local councils anti social behaviour officer is also involved now.

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SoupDragon · 20/07/2018 09:00

I imagine that her “solicitor” is called Mr Google.

Whereismumhiding2 · 20/07/2018 09:05

If she is targetting other disabled HA tennant's similiar, then she's really showing her intentions. Do talk to them. They could similiar choose to send a letter asking them to stop blocking their disabled access. Or talk to police to check they have recorded warning to NDN about this aspect. Ask disabled neighbours to take photos etc including empty spaces in her drive and street at same time as evidence gathering.

Nb Making malicious complaints to police also forms part of 'a course of action to harrass... behaviour which causes alarm or distress'

If police issue an ASBO & she/they breach it, or if evidence gathered is sufficient (or becomes eventually sufficient) to show it is harassment, both can be criminal offences and "hostility based on a person's .. disability.." (hate incident) becomes hate crime. Police have to keep statistics for both hate incidents and hate crimes.

Safeguarding via LA also makes it police's business & HA as they liaise. Police should be considering referring via police notification to LA under safeguarding already. In certain circumstances the safeguarding enquiry strategy planning might result, at some point in the enquiry, in liaising with perpetrator's HA too if she rents.

It's have to be quite a high level of behaviour, don't ignore or forget any verbal abuse as that's strong evidence targeted behaviour. But deliberately blocking disabled access to your home by unwanted trespass on your properties has a severe impact & is a huge step past reasonable behaviour.

This is just generic information, and it depends on the exact situation and if her behaviour continues after police intervention. I hope it doesn't.

Whereismumhiding2 · 20/07/2018 09:07

Sorry, cross posted, I can see she owns her property and is no longer a HA tenant. But it shows police have taken it seriously given your comments above. Good practice from them. Flowers

MaggieFS · 20/07/2018 09:53

Gosh your fortunate to be getting such good support from the police. I didn't know it makes a difference if a work vehicle is blocked vs a private car? Why is this? Seems very unfair if someone needs their car to get to work, surely they're entitled to the same support from the police (which we see time and again in threads o here doesn't happen).

YogaDrone · 20/07/2018 10:13

Bekstar assuming you have a blue badge you can apply for a disabled parking bay to be put outside of your house. This won't stop another blue badge holder from parking there but would make it an offence for someone else to park there.

It would at least offer an alternative if your nasty neighbour were to block your drive again.

sprinklesandsauce · 20/07/2018 10:30

YogaDrone yes somebody in our village did that, had a space right outside their house. They were advised the same, that anyone with a badge could park in it, but people without a badge couldn't

Bekstar I would look into that asap.

I am glad that the police are helping you, she is clearly being awkward if she refused to move for the police, who does that?!

Seeing as you are disabled, hopefully they can do her for harrassment.

Bekstar · 20/07/2018 10:41

MaggieFS
It doesn't make a difference. Police moved her because there was a vehicle on drive not because it was a work vehicle. They just said they would priorities eit as more important to get a call out because the work vehicle has equipment on needed for emergency repairs when needed. She is breaking the law regardless unless the drive is empty then its a civil matter. If it had been my car been blocked in we could have been waiting all day for police to respond due to it not been a priority call out. The work vehicle however is used for emergency repairs so upped the priority

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YogaDrone · 20/07/2018 10:42

My parents recently got one Sprinkles and my mum is so relieved that she is 99% guaranteed to be able to park outside their house now.

They actually have a shared drive with their neighbour which gives access to their garage but had to stop using it when my mum became disabled because the garage is too narrow to be able to get in and out of the car with a wheelchair and they obviously can't park on the shared driveway as this would block their neighbour.

Obviously you want to be able to park unhindered on your drive Bekstar but this could be a realistic backup plan should you need one. The HA could probably help the application process in terms of backing your need for the disabled bay too Flowers

As an aside your HA sound really lovely Smile

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 20/07/2018 10:58

Some councils won't provide a disabled bay on the road if the applicant already has off street parking (which the OP has)

Bekstar · 20/07/2018 11:32

Our council don't provide it for domestic properties at all regardless of whether I already have parking. We have tried before and they say it's thier policy not to provide and that was before HA put driveway in. It used to be just a front garden.
Same council refused in our last property despite thier been 8 spots for 22 houses, most people had to park at end of street on wasteland. They decided then it wasn't suitable and I moved here. I asked again here and was told they don't do them and due to the fact a few people were in same boat HA put driveways in. They helped as much as possible but they can't make council put in a disabled bay.

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MaggieFS · 20/07/2018 12:50

Oh right, thanks for clarifying!

YogaDrone · 20/07/2018 12:52

Ah, okay Bekstar, it was just a thought. I know that some council's won't if you have off street parking but not to offer them at all seems draconian.

Hopefully the action the police have taken will deter your neighbour in the future anyway.

ItsNachoCheese · 20/07/2018 12:55

Cfn is batshit daft

Knittedfairies · 20/07/2018 13:17

Your neighbour has turned into a CF Hyacinth Bucket; buying her property rather than renting, has given her a superiority complex. Would the HA fit, or allow you to fit, a lockable bollard at the end of your drive?

IfYouDontImagineNothingHappens · 20/07/2018 21:28

OP this was a very satisfying parking thread.

Well done!!

Diagrams, successful police involvement, excellent cheeky fuckery!

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