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Home extensions 2017 - Christmas is coming

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Believeitornot · 06/12/2017 18:12

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theredjellybean · 08/01/2018 10:42

It's 10.5 square metres, so add in the new kitchen which we costed up at about 3k...we might just do it.
The opening up of kitchen wall might need an rsj as it's external wall.
We would need flooring laid and tiling done in kitchen but would do decorating ourselves.
Does the two k per square metres include things like flooring costs?

theredjellybean · 08/01/2018 10:42

No party walls, and allowed development

whiskyowl · 08/01/2018 11:00

redjelly - that sounds doable! I think the £2k a metre does include basic flooring/tiling, but not something as expensive as a kitchen.
You can pay anything for finish at the end of the day, so with a tight budget, you just need to be really disciplined about not paying more than you have budgeted for each thing. (This is much harder than it sounds, it's easy to think "It's only £400 extra, it's only £600 extra" and before you know it you've spent thousands!) If you can do the legwork, scouring ebay for bargains, etc. you can reduce costs considerably without it looking 'cheap'. Smile

Don't forget to allow a 10% contingency for the unforeseen, which seems to affect just about every building project in different ways!

theredjellybean · 08/01/2018 11:03

Thank you
Now feel quite excited

Believeitornot · 08/01/2018 12:40

We are paying more like £4K/square meter but have gone higher spec on the floor (although not by much) and worktop. A thinner floor and cheaper worktop would have saved us. Plus we got expensive sliding doors.

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whiskyowl · 08/01/2018 12:48

Remember me saying I was using cedar cladding inside a bay, and that I couldn't explain it but would post a picture. Here is is, nearly finished! The outside of the bay (and the extension on the ground floor) is also cedar. It smells amazing!

You can walk out of the window and onto the roof outside, which will eventually be a garden - it's been designed into the structural engineering. I'm not a big fan of sedums, so I went for a deeper roof and will be able to grow alpines up there eventually.

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Chickencellar · 08/01/2018 12:50

I've followed this thread for a while, great to see alot coming near the end. Only problem is it's got me thinking about extending !
Thinking of a small extension for a utility room something like 2x2m . At the minute just thinking of getting a watertight shell then moving on from that. Anyone had the builders just do a shell ? I'm not sure of a ball park figure for that. I'm guessing 1k SQM ? We are in the north.

whiskyowl · 08/01/2018 13:01

The trouble with a really small extension that is just a couple of metres is that you can end up paying a lot per square metre of area, because there are fewer "easy" metres to do in the middle where there are no expensive edges. The costs of things like foundations and roofs and RSJs are high! £2k/square metre is the figure we usually cite on this thread but sadly I don't think 2x2m would realistically come in at be £8k - I think you are probably looking at £12-15kish - what do the rest of you think?? You may find 3x3 metres is not very much more.

theredjellybean · 08/01/2018 13:09

Ours is a bit different because we arw not fundamentally changing the kitchen. We may even just replace doors and worktop.

May spend more on floors though.

Sure when it comes to it I will be able to find a bit more money for nicer fixtures etc :)

Tika77 · 08/01/2018 14:04

whisky I can almost feel your frustration. And I agree, you should put a compensation claim through. (Here's holding fingers crossed you'll have the energy for this in the midst of all the things going on. Not so sure we'll have any left to claim for architects mistakes.)

jellybean I think whisky is right, single storey is about 2K/sq m. And welcome to the forum.

Tika77 · 08/01/2018 14:08

whisky I'm dead jealous of that window and roof garden. (I was considering a green roof at some point but didn't even research the prices after the shock of initial quotes.)

I had a massive wobble over the whole extension thing this weekend. Our local secondary school went downhill recently and I just feel like we're putting heart and soul and bucketfuls of money into a project we might be moving out of soon after finish.

Tika77 · 08/01/2018 14:09

Chickencellar At that size I'd seriously consider diy-ing all of it.

Chickencellar · 08/01/2018 14:10

whiskeyowl
Thanks , I get what you mean with economy of scale it's not quite the same. Though I'm just looking for a shell price at the minute so I'm hoping for less than 2k . Hope to not need any rsj as there won't be a knock through. It would be single story with a flat roof.

Chickencellar · 08/01/2018 14:11

Tika77
We would be confident enough to finish a shell off but probably not the ground work and brickwork.

DustandRubble · 08/01/2018 14:31

If you really want to do it on a budget could you dip your existing doors redjellybean? I have a friend who had her old and ugly doors painted and they look fabulous.

I have bought paint samples. I am wondering what colour to paint the kitchen. The dining area of the room I was thinking of doing in a blue/teal colour, possibly Dulux Midnight Teal. The kitchen units are a light grey. The splash back will be orange and we may paint the door orange. Can I just do the wall on the kitchen side white?

Tika has the secondary school really gone down hill or just had a bad Ofsted? I ask because a school a friend works at suddenly got a bad Ofsted despite actually having excellent GCSE and A Level results. Ofsted is being a right bastard at the moment.

DustandRubble · 08/01/2018 14:35

Oh and that looks really lovely whisky, how fabulous to have a roof garden too.

whiskyowl · 08/01/2018 14:50

tika - I'm not sure I'll be able to put in the roof garden straight away! It's supposed to be my 40th birthday present from DH, but I think we might already have spent the money!! But the walls have been reinforced ready, so I can always put it in later in the year, once I've (hopefully) recovered financially and emotionally after plentiful applications of gin Wink

Bad news is that the builder doesn't think he can fit half the kitchen properly until cover panels arrive, and they are delayed THREE WEEKS until 26th January. This means I can't template for worktops until after that. Aiiiieeeeeeee. It's SO frustrating because it's an all-but-invisible piece; you literally just see the front of it (nothing of the sides) between two sets of units. But the kitchen can't be bolted together properly without it. Boo. I am trying not to feel angry that it was ordered in late November for delivery late December. Angry And also trying to restrain myself from doing a heist on the local Ikea store, which has massive cover panels on a display. Do you reckon if I put on a high vis jacket, I could snaffle a couple before they'd even notice, melting into the night like the Scarlet Pimpernell and leaving behind the gnomic message, spraypainted on the rest of the kitchen, "DO NOT BUY THE KUNGSBACKA LINE"?? Grin

theredjellybean · 08/01/2018 16:43

Dust... Good idea, they are fine just a bit dated, the whole kitchen is fine really but dp and dc want new one.. God knows why, I do all the cooking.

Sounds like ikea are not good... Shame I like the look of their kitchens

theredjellybean · 08/01/2018 16:44

What is template for worktops???

DustandRubble · 08/01/2018 17:42

When you have the kitchen fitted to do the worktops they fit the kitchen and then make a template of the exact size worktop you need on site. Then they take it away to cut the worktop to the right size.

muchtodobutstopforcuddles · 08/01/2018 22:37

Hello all! I have been lurking on this thread for a while and have learnt so much already! We are hoping to extend and remodel our end terrace in the next year. Hopefully a double storey side and rear extension that could double the size of the house. We are currently at architect stage and have received drawings today. I'm already finding the decision making tough! I thought I knew what I wanted but I'm questioning how important certain spaces are! I thought I wanted an open plan kitchen/diner/family room, a snug/multi purpose room that could also be used as a guest room, a study area or separate room, a large utility, an extra bedroom upstairs, the bathroom moved upstairs and an ensuite to the master. We also have quite steep stairs which we wondered if we should rebuild.

How did you all decide on layout and which spaces were a priority to you? I know budget plays a big part. For example, currently the plans only allow for a very small utility. In my mind I wanted a large utility so that laundry etc doesn't overflow into living spaces. Currently we have no utility and it drives me nuts having washing everywhere if we don't manage to fold and put away immediately. There's 5 of us so the washing is significant in quantity. But is this silly to 'waste' space that could be used in the kitchen?

The plans also have an open study area that is not closed off from the stairs or hallway. Do you think this is a bad idea with regards to noise?

Perhaps I should try and post a pic of the options we've been given. I would be interested in people's opinions.

whiskyowl · 09/01/2018 09:15

much - That's an interesting question about prioritisation. I am trying to remember how we made decisions. I think a lot of it was about storage, really. We didn't just want extra space, we wanted to design a house that would basically tidy itself by creating a designated space for all of the things we own. But it's not really just about a space, but about a flow. So we made a list of the routines that currently go 'wrong'. For instances, we get important bills, documents etc through the post, and what happens to them? Currently, they tend to get dumped in an untidy pile on the stairs, or worse, in the kitchen. But what if they got opened in a space where everything was available to file them or process them immediately? So we are building a small fold-down desk in a cupboard, and creating a shelf above for all our paperwork, so we can process it all straight away.

Similarly, we had a conflict between needing more guest space and more study space (DH and I occasionally write together, so we'd like a space that isn't the dining room table where we could work together). So we have created a hybrid room. We are making a 3 metre long desk with two chairs. But it is hinged, so the middle section folds against a wall and becomes a headboard when we need the space for additional guests. We've found a bed that can be assembled really quickly that will fit in the gap, and a folding mattress. This means we will have 2 guest rooms, rather than our current one, so we will be able to host 4 people without having to put guests on uncomfortable sofas! You get the idea! Basically, we made a huge list of "dysfunctional spaces in our life" and tried to solve it!!

For utility - if laundry is the priority, you can literally have a very effective workhorse of a space in something cupboard sized. A washer, a dryer, and a couple of hampers for laundry don't require much space. In terms of putting away, what is the precise nature of the problem you're encountering? Could it be that there is a knock-on issue that clothes are difficult to put away because there's not enough storage for them, so people in the household avoid this? Or is it a problem of routines - that one person is left to do the entire household's folding and putting away, and they are getting a bit overwhelmed?

Study & noise - it depends on the person and the nature of the work being done. If it is highly complex and requires absolute focus, like working on theoretical physics or something, an open layout might not work. If it involves confidential material, it might not work. If it's doing a job that's normally done in an open plan space anyway, however, then it might not be an issue at all, and could even be a bonus - working from home can be a bit lonely!

Baxdream · 09/01/2018 09:17

Sorry ladies I've been away at Center Parcs this weekend. Lots of fabulous updates and photos!

It's a busy day here with the plasterers and builders. We had the last of our new windows in this weekend (we have had all ours changed). We are so close to the end!!!

DustandRubble · 09/01/2018 12:39

Very envious of you being nearly done Bax, and the holiday!

Plastering happening here too. They are plastering the walls before they sand the floors. Although currently I can hear something like a loud vacuum and am very intrigued. I don’t think it is a hoover.

whiskyowl · 09/01/2018 13:02

dust - it might be the whizzy thing (technical term) that they use to mix up the plaster in a big bucket! It makes a proper racket.