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Home extensions 2017- the one where all builders are dickheads.

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monkeyfacegrace · 12/10/2017 19:29

Link to the old thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/property/2847599-Home-Extensions-2017-come-along-on-the-journey

As you were ladies.

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whiskyowl · 19/10/2017 11:43

You can move quickly if it's urgent, urgent. I think it's a balancing act, though. An extension is a huge chunk of cash. The costs are eye-watering. You want to make sure that you're sweating every quid of that for the best possible quality of space. There's no guarantee that you won't make mistakes even if you take your time, but they're more likely to happen in a rush.

A really good architect will present you with ideas you haven't even considered possible. For me, I'm not a particularly spatial person -
I find it difficult to orientate things in space, and I can never do those tests where you have to rotate an object in your head and say what it will look like. (I can, however, pack an awesome suitcase. Go figure!!). So I had to go through a whole mental process of sitting down and imagining the space in my head, including where everything would go, and where plug sockets would need to be etc. Eventually I had a mental picture of it, but along the way to it, I made decisions I didn't even realise existed at the start!!

I'm pretty naive and unpracticed at this stuff, though, and I reckon someone who was better at it could do it much faster! So a big chunk of this is me being crap!!

NamedyChangedy · 19/10/2017 13:05

Hi there Honey - nothing wrong with wishful thinking, at least you have something to work towards!

I was told this before we started work, but didn't realise the extent of it - every room in your house will be affected in some way by the building work. True story. Not just cracks in the wall appearing when steels go in / joists move etc, but with the best will in the world, you can expect that dust / mud will ruin carpets, walls will be scuffed, tiles cracked etc by the general hustle and bustle.

Is there any chance you could put off the redecorating for a few months?

NamedyChangedy · 19/10/2017 13:12

Ooh Believe you might be pulling ahead now - we've no plasterboard on the ceilings yet!

I have a suspicion the guy who's supplying our windows and doors has done a runner with the cash as they measured up 5 weeks ago and we still have tarp / boards over them. It was meant to be a 5-10 day lead time!! I've asked our PM a few times and he's been very vague and non-committal so am just waiting for the bad news now.

I also ordered pendants on a complete whim and am no longer sure I like them! Scared to post a pic in case you all say they're hideous. Must check returns policy...

Whatthefoxgoingon · 19/10/2017 13:19

whatashower I’m so very sorry to hear about your beloved cat Flowers

Whatthefoxgoingon · 19/10/2017 13:20

Namedy, on no! Was it a big chunk of money for the doors and windows??

Whatthefoxgoingon · 19/10/2017 13:21

Welcome to the newbies, and good luck!

NamedyChangedy · 19/10/2017 13:38

whatthefox (I always read your name as whatdoesthefoxsay for some reason!) It was a big chunk of money, especially for what we're getting - I've since learnt from this thread that we massively over-paid for them anyway. It's my fault for trusting the PM, I didn't really compare his prices and I absolutely should have. Hopefully it all turns out fine and this chap really has been on holiday, then off sick, then lost his phone etc etc!

DustandRubble · 19/10/2017 13:45

Lovely finish photos above, how exciting to have got there.

I have builders today! Yesterday there were none, but they have appeared today and I can hear very loud noises so they are even working. Steels have been ordered and are going in next week.

We are having a bit of a rethink though as it turns out our joists are shorter than our steel. This means the only way to avoid a bulkhead (which we wanted to do) is to lower our ceilings. Our ceilings are particularly high so we could do this. But I like our high ceilings and am not sure I want to end up with average height ceilings.

whiskyowl · 19/10/2017 14:13

namedy - keeping my fingers crossed that the supplier is just a bit shit at communication. 5-10 days sounds really short for bespoke glazing - maybe he gave you a short timescale to draw you in? I would insist on knowing from the PM exactly what is going on - that is what you're paying them for!

dust - I'm trying to understand your problem with the joists and steep, but not sure I've got it. Do you mean you'll be left with a lower beam across where the steel is? If so, that sounds preferable to lower ceilings right across? You could even make a feature of it if you powdercoated the steel like whatashower?

Whattodowithaminute · 19/10/2017 14:22

Hello all! Sorry to hear about your cat whatashower so sad to lose a part of your family. Sounds like good progress for some and ongoing challenges for others.

honey we completed on our house in May and now have planning approval (relatively straight forward permitted development application) party wall agreement in place, structural engineer calculations for ground floor single storey extension. Now trying to pin our builder down to a start date, he seems to be running behind with some other projects... if we are in by May 2018 I will be pleased...

NamedyChangedy · 19/10/2017 14:27

thanks whisky, you're so right - will write a short and to-the-point email now to PM to get an answer.

Whatthefoxgoingon · 19/10/2017 14:32

I agree with whisky that the timescale for glazing is very short and so there is hope they have over promised and they turn up. Fingers crossed!

dust I think it depends on what the heights will be with both options. What height will you get with the bulkhead and without? I’m a big fan of huge steels, no bulkheads, no pillars and wide open unobstructed spaces. Ie everything that’s expensive to build Wink

Baxdream · 19/10/2017 14:37

Sorry about your cat whatashower. I’m a real animal lover too so I completely understand!

Our roof is flying up today plus the brickies are back to finish the utility.

What I have learnt so far:
Completely agree with mess in the house. We haven’t broken through yet but our house feels like a sandpit (totally blame the dog!) so we will be replacing all our carpets as they have an orange tinge!
Builders eat a lot of biscuits and are very grateful for bacon sandwiches.
Be prepared for them using your loo for number twos 😂
Handing over £2k suddenly feels like giving someone a fiver!
Make sure you have rubbish mugs/plates etc to give to the builders. Ours have our garage as a ‘den’ with the plans and supplies.

It’s great watching the magic happen though and I’m so grateful to be able to make our dream home

whiskyowl · 19/10/2017 15:36

Oooh, great news on your roof bax. No work here at all today. It has rained solidly all day without remission so I don't blame them.

Baxdream · 19/10/2017 16:01

The rain has just arrived, so the roofers are packing up. Bricklayers are still here but they are so nearly done so imagine they’re going to just finish up.. they’re sweeping the utility so I’m wondering if they’ve finished!
I’ll try and get a photo once they’ve gone

Baxdream · 19/10/2017 16:05

Roof after two days work- seems good to me!

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Whatthefoxgoingon · 19/10/2017 16:51

Good progress bax

Just another wee warning about this weekend’s weather:

www.metoffice.gov.uk/mobile/warnings/uk#?date=2017-10-21

Strong winds so secure all your loose supplies and batten down the hatches tomorrow.

whatashower · 19/10/2017 17:16

Just popping on to say thank you for all the condolences, it is much appreciated. I promised to organise some before, mid and after pics to give some hope to everyone currently in chaos and will try to do this at the weekend. Does anyone know if there are any issues just linking to a Pinterest board?

Baxdream · 19/10/2017 18:03

Thanks for the tip - only hitting us Saturday so far. Not sure when our tiles are going on. I’m assuming next week!
Our bricklayers are finished- all done in 7 days! Amazing

whiskyowl · 20/10/2017 09:14

I can't wait for your pictures whatashower - it will be lovely to see your progress.

bax - I hear you on the sand! I have a turtle mat that is being washed weekly to catch the worst, and it's absolutely filthy by Friday.

Baxdream · 20/10/2017 09:16

This is what my dog does 😬

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Whattodowithaminute · 20/10/2017 09:25

bax too cute

OohAahBird · 20/10/2017 09:59

Whisky I don't know if you are able to but I would move the door and make the utility a galley if you can. It is having the door and window in corners that is causing the issues

glorious · 20/10/2017 11:10

whatashower I'm so sorry about your cat.

jigster I love your kitchen. Out of our budget unfortunately but if it wasn't (or if we were staying in the house longer so I could vaguely justify it) then I'd have one exactly the same Smile

bax that's looking great.

We have lots of plasterboard now including on the new internal walls carving up what was our kitchen into a utility, downstairs loo and corridor. The rooms actually feel bigger now they are properly separate, which is good. Next week the slates and velux windows go on the roof and then it will just really be windows, doors and plastering and flooring plus the kitchen fitting.

Then they start the loft conversion... just in time for the crappy weather. Lovely.

We've decided to go with aluminium windows and were thinking the builder would fit them (he was due to fit the PVC he'd initially put in the quote even though we'd wanted aluminium). Turns out he's never fitted aluminium before. Having had a quick look online it doesn't look like it's much different. Does anyone have any idea? We could get separate fitters in of course but I think that would slow us down a bit and would involve having to endure the hard sell of various window firms.

whiskyowl · 20/10/2017 11:23

bax - I am DED OF CUTE!

oohaaah - you are so clever! That's precisely the problem! I hadn't seen it before.

I don't know if I can move it. There is a bit of a tangle of doors in that area. I'm going to try to explain and post a picture of the plan which shows it. Bear with me, it's a bit complicated.

You can see I've had to move window W05 to an area that was previously going to be blocked up (pen arrow on diagram). This is because door D03 right next to it has to be moved left due to structural engineering issues (the corner of the old house is just to the right of D03 and the architect hadn't left enough of the old structure in place for stability). Leaving W05 where it originally was meant having a door and a window either side of a stud wall - it looked really odd and awkward on the side of the house and wasn't ideal in building terms, so W05 has had to move to the blocked up area (current back door).

It's quite a bit more expensive to put W05 in the middle as it involves new lintels etc. D03, D01 and the openings to the dining room and kitchen are all in this small corridor space, making it difficult to move any of them!

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