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£32k deposit, £35k salary...can't afford to buy. Am I missing an option?

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Cronx · 15/10/2015 23:39

In London, of course. No one needs to tell me to get over it, I tell myself the same every day, and at least I have a roof over my head and a job, etc. I am truly appreciative of this. So this is less a whinge, more asking if anyone has any bright ideas? If I had been in this position 5-10 years ago I would have been laughing, but the timing has been terrible for me, with house prices increasing exponentially and interest rates being virtually nothing, therefore leaving me with virtually no returns on my savings.

I'm single, 32 and have no children. It's not feasible for me to move to Grimsby or something at the moment, though I would definitely be open to it under different circumstances*

But my current living situation is a bit difficult. I live with my mum and pay rent to her, but way less than I would be paying if I were renting on my own. We share housework, bills, food etc but I just want my own space and to live like an adult. I've had enough of house shares, my current situation is better than that, and at least I get to keep saving this way. Renting would eat up my income and put my savings back so I would be in worse position in the long term.

But it feels like my saving is completely futile.

Without wanting to sound like an entitled whiner, I am so frustrated. I have been working and saving like mad, and I lead a really modest lifestyle (I'm quite boring and frugal anyway so this wasn't too hard, and I am happy to continue doing this). But it's getting me nowhere, especially with interest rates through the floor and no sign of them going up.

I know the answer is "too bad, suck it up, that's how cookie crumbles sometimes, no one deserves to own a house flat..." but surely it shouldn't be this difficult? I'm looking in the crappest, least glamorous part of outer London, not Hampstead or anything. The prices are going up faster than I can save, and I'm a bloody good saver.

I've spoken to a few lenders and they say they can lend me between £160k and £175k, which would buy me a property of up to around £200k, taking into account stamp duty and other fees. There is hardly anything on the market at this level - there are a number of "in need of TLC" derelict hovels on RightMove, between £150k and £200k. I'd be open to this in my desperation, but I'm doubtful they actually exist, because the estate agents never return my calls or emails about them. Even when I go in to their offices to enquire it's just "sorry, that's not on the market anymore". A lot of the properties at this level specify cash buyers or investors only, which rules me out.

There are a few properties a little above this, around the £210k upwards mark. In my cute naivety, I thought maybe I could look at these and make an offer 10-20% below asking price. Ha. Ha. Dream on. I've been to numerous viewings, all of these are hideous stampede-like open house affairs, where you get 2 minutes to look around. It's mostly young couples struggling to find a home (but probably on 2 incomes so they're more likely to succeed than I am), plus the odd single loser like me, and then an investment buyer turns up knowing they will be able to outbid everyone and offer at least asking price, and make a tidy profit. So I have no hope on these flats, which aren't even that nice.

I've been looking at the Help to Buy Equity Loans but it's all so mysterious, there seem to be hardly any properties around under this scheme, and describing them as "affordable" seems a bit generous to me. There's one down the road from me, but the 1 bed flats start at £350k! It's on a horrible roundabout in a crap part of a crap borough. And the affordability criteria seem to make it impossible for people of average or even slightly above average incomes to afford a very average home. Are they advertised elsewhere? Or are you supposed to just pick any new build and get a Help to Buy loan/mortgage for it? I made an appointment with my bank, which proudly declares they take part in the Help to Buy scheme, but the mortgage advisor did not have a single clue about it, I seemed to know more than she did. She had to look it up on the computer as she didn't believe that they offered such a scheme, even though I told her I was reading it on their website that very morning. The Help to Buy website is hopeless, it doesn't actually give any helpful, practical information.

I've thought about shared ownership, even though it seems like a massive rip off. But even then I sometimes don't even meet the income thresholds. I've contacted Housing Associations in my borough about new builds but I'm low on the priority list, understandably.

I honestly thought I'd be able to buy a house at 32, given that I've been nothing but sensible and taught myself about the market and followed all advice. I thought I had done all the right things but I am royally screwed. Lord knows what I will do if I ever want a family, there's no chance I can afford anywhere suitable for a child.

I have no hope, right? Should I give up and blow my deposit at the bingo or something?

I suppose I'm just wondering if anyone has any stories of eternal perseverance finally paying off!

*everyone has their reasons for wanting to live in a particular area. Mine are mainly: I'm having long term counselling and probably won't survive without it, and my mental state will deteriorate if I have to go through the mill of trying to find a new one. I'm not going to be able to move on from some of the issues that caused my problems by staying in my family home (I'm living in the house I was abused in, for one). Plus, I have a stable, good job (the salary is ok if not stellar, but the pension and other benefits are very, very good. Plus I like my work and colleagues, and don't think I can cope with the upheaval of looking for a new job and establishing myself elsewhere at the moment, especially as I will have no partner, no family and no friends around).

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AnneElliott · 16/10/2015 18:51

Have a look at Abbeywood, plumstead and Woolwich- there are cheap places to be found. Also Erith and some parts of Thamesmead are also worth considering.

NameChange30 · 16/10/2015 18:54

Do NOT do a joint mortgage with your mum!

You said you're never getting married... Is that because you don't want to, or because you don't think you'll meet the right person?

I know it's not the topic but it did make me wonder. Especially as you seem to want kids?

AnotherCider · 16/10/2015 18:58

Cronx - Saving £1,000 a month is pretty good going, tbh. You're doing brilliantly.

If you want to add extra to your savings, you could do some babysitting in the evenings - ad hoc work that would leave you free to MN or watch tv. I think that's the simplest extra work that you can accept as and when it fits in with your social life.

If you manage to get a 2 bedroom place, you can always rent out the other room, which would help you pay it off faster.

throwingpebbles · 16/10/2015 18:59

You don't need to change jobs etc but, for instance, here in South Hampshire we are only an hour from Waterloo and you can still buy properties for under £200000. I have a nice sized 3 bed with big garden for £250000, and lots of people on my street commute to London

AnotherCider · 16/10/2015 19:00

Oh, there's some studio and 1 bedroom flats going on the market in central Epsom - £180,000

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 16/10/2015 19:00

unless I get married (fat chance, this is the only thing more deluded than my house buying attempts

Stop that.

You are intelligent, engaging, determined and focussed, have a good job and a sense of humour. Why on earth is getting married unlikely? Confused

Cronx · 16/10/2015 19:04

AnotherEmma, Because I've not met anyone yet, and I can't see it happening (though I would welcome it if it did!). I've never been the kind of girl who dreams of a wedding and a prince charming but I would like someone to share my life with, and not only so they can get frustrated at the housing market with me.

The kids thing, again I've never had massive maternal instincts but I feel that is largely because I have never been able to get to a position where it looks remotely likely that I would be able to offer a kid anything other than love - I can't offer it a home at the moment, and I don't have a partner to discuss whether or kids are on the horizon. So it's been kind of hard to entertain the idea. I grew up in a single parent family with no stability at home, I couldn't bear to put child through the same thing (single parent is ok if you have stability, not knocking single parents at all, that's why I am considering fostering. But I'd love it if I could give any child of mine what I didn't have). So all normal life plans have not been helped by my living situation, I guess.

You're right on the joint mortgage with mum thing, I know. It's lunacy, but people have suggested it to me when I have poo-pooed their "can't your mum give you money suggestion" ,and you are more inclined to consider ideas that are lunacy when you are desperate! I really don't want to go down that road.

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AppleAndBlackberry · 16/10/2015 19:06

Are London house prices increasing at more than 6% a year?!?!

poocatcherchampion · 16/10/2015 19:06

I have got nothing helpful to add but I'm impressed by your tenacity op and I wish you well Flowers

NameChange30 · 16/10/2015 19:07

Please don't rule out the possibility of meeting someone! You sound lovely Smile

DriveMeMad · 16/10/2015 19:07

I think you could find something nice in Essex. Rayleigh, leigh on sea, southend on sea, wickford, Billericay.... All should have 1-2 bed flats for up to £200k and the commute would be up to an hour at a cost of about £3k per year.

I moved away long ago but would definitely go back that way. I void friends and family and it's really nice.

DriveMeMad · 16/10/2015 19:09

I visit friends

NameChange30 · 16/10/2015 19:09

Apple "Are London house prices increasing at more than 6% a year?!?!"
Yep, wouldn't be at all surprised, based on the crazy house price increases where I live (a city that is up there in the top 3 most expensive cities in UK). The market is CRAZY.

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 16/10/2015 19:09

Are London house prices increasing at more than 6% a year?!?!

Yes.

Cronx · 16/10/2015 19:10

Ah thanks StrawberryTeaLeaf Smile. I don't know where all the men are! I know there are plenty of nice ones about, I have lots of nice male friends, plenty of my female friends have nice male partners, but I just don't even get relationships off the ground! Maybe they are hiding in equally elusive affordable houses

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NameChange30 · 16/10/2015 19:12

Maybe you're not quite ready yet, if you're still doing counselling? But when you are ready I bet you will find someone Smile

AppleAndBlackberry · 16/10/2015 19:14

Wow, I stand corrected!

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 16/10/2015 19:18

Maybe they are hiding in equally elusive affordable houses

Smile

There might be something in that, you know.

I've been to and fro from London all my life. London dating is definitely different especially now that the prices have rocketed and the demographics have changed.

Your opposite numbers are probably going through the same decisions and thought processes as we type and may end up buying their first homes in similar places Wink

JeffyJeffington · 16/10/2015 19:19

Yes best of luck to you Cronx, you've done really well to save so much, i have massive massive sympathy that you're struggling to find somewhere at moment and Shock at situation in croydon but some really good ideas here and I'm sure you'll get something suitable eventually Flowers

Cronx · 16/10/2015 19:28

I know, even discounting my own situation I'm really depressed about Croydon. It seems the justification/explanation for doubling house prices is that we might get a John Lewis soon (which, incidentally, they were saying at least as far back as 2002 when I was doing my A Levels). A bit of me dies inside every time I see something in the Standard of Time Out saying Croydon is the new Shoreditch. It's still not a nice borough, it's neither like Shoreditch nor Richmond, it's still full of antisocial behaviour and crime and ugly buildings and a desolate high street. Where are all the poor/average income people going to go? The nurses, the teachers, the young doctors even? If you can't even afford the crappest parts of London unless you earn big bucks, it's pretty depressing.

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Diddlydokey · 16/10/2015 19:29

I've known Londoners to buy a rental property where they might end up and rent it out. Could be an option

Cronx · 16/10/2015 19:30

Thanks all for your input, ideas, wisdom, sympathy, compliments etc... it's really helpful to vent, and I remain preparing for the worst but hoping for the best (be it men or housing), blind optimism is foolish but educated optimism is good for the soul, so I will plough on one way or another.

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Dolly80 · 16/10/2015 19:35

Someone at work told me that Bexley and Bromley are the two most 'affordable' boroughs in London. How about doing some borough wide searches on RM in those areas.

Being local to them I must say they're probably not the most exciting locations London has to offer. However, they are commutable to town on a travelcard and relatively safe. There are expensive/cheap areas in both; so whilst you're not going to get much, if anything, in your budget in Sidcup or Beckenham areas like Penge, Sydenham, Belvedere or Erith may have something to offer.

The cheaper areas on Greenwich borough might have decent shared ownership deals too. Woolwich for example has a DLR & mainline station and is getting Crossrail by 2018, there or Plumstead may be worth a look also.

Cronx · 16/10/2015 19:52

I really, really like Greenwich. If I go down the SO route I may as well look at something like there. Or Woolwich, I've not really considered that but I'd love something quite near the river.

I know Beckenham pretty well, it's only 20 mins or so from Croydon by tram, and I used to drive there a lot (in fact it's where I did most of my learning!). I do like it there, but as you say not exactly cheap. But I'm open to Penge, Sydenham etc - if anything they're a bit more expensive because they don't have Croydon's scummy reputation. I always thought Bromley was really posh when I was growing up Blush. I could perhaps look a bit further out, Orpington or something.

I didn't really know anything about Bexley but in the last couple of days I saw a really lovely looking house there (Crayford I think?) for £190k, it was gorgeous, it was a house, not just a flat, and it even had a garden; I could totally see myself there. Sadly it was sold STC, but it made me think maybe there is a glimmer of hope that I could get something even pretty nice without having to move to Peterborough or something.

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LBOCS2 · 16/10/2015 19:55

To be fair about Croydon (and I will defend it, we bought a house in Selsdon 4 years ago which has increased in value by 50% since we bought it), while the main drag can be a bit grim, I'm not sure that the general shitness of it was ever worse than places like Hackney or Brixton, both of which have up and come drastically over the last 10 years. Shoreditch was horrible until relatively recently too - likewise Peckham which they talk about having had the 'Shoreditch effect'. They ARE investing a lot of money in building and infrastructure and even if it doesn't boom, I think it's highly unlikely that it'll bust either.

While Bromley may be one of the most affordable boroughs, you won't get anything for your money even in Penge I wouldn't have thought. Sydenham is in Lewisham and prices have gone bonkers there in the past 18 months too. You'd be looking a lot further out to afford what you're after.