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House on at £125,000 what would you offer?

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ohhifruit · 13/01/2014 10:25

I've been lurking here for a really long time, sorry for jumping in with a question.

We are FTBers and viewed a house local to us which is on at £125,000.

The house has:
*3 beds (two are small but this can be transformed by switching a bathroom and bedroom around when we'd come to a point of redoing the bathroom)
*Upstairs bathroom (many in the area have downstairs bathrooms)
*3 reception rooms (it is usual in the area to have 1 reception room and for the back room to have been converted into a kitchen/diner)
*Extension which contains kitchen, w.c. and utility room.

  • Converted garage in the garden.
  • Nice area within reach of train station, 2 good primary schools and within a walkable distance to DH's workplace. *Usable cellar space *Potentially usable loft space *High ceilings *Light, bright rooms

It is an end terrace which had substantial extension/addition before the area became a conservation area (and development in the area became difficult to obtain permission for) and as such is the only 3 bed, in the specific area we want to buy, under £150,000.

All other houses on the street are two beds and ones which have sold in the past 10 years have been refurbished to a high standard. These types of houses have sold recently for around £105,000 - £115,000

Reading all that you think "£125,000 is great, offer the asking price" however:

*The home is owned by an artist who has done some rather strange DIY which whilst not damaging to the bones of the house would be a pain to change and correct. There are random lumps of wood drilled into the wall, painted murals, pine ceilings, slithers of thin tiles on the floor inbetween the carpets of rooms and around light sockets.

*Most rooms have those odd polystyrene ceiling tiles which I assume are dangerous?

  • At the end of the extension the utility room opens out on to the garden and when I went out of the door I ran my hand down the wall and noticed it was soaking. The wall didn't feel sodden or permanently wet, it did however feel like the rain was leaking in from above and once outside we noticed the very old roof on the extension portion of the house is in need of either a great deal of work or complete replacement and obviously the rear wall would need to be fixed.

*The garden has warped decking which would need to be ripped out quickly as it was very slippery.

*The garage space which has been converted into an office has a very strong smell of damp, so this will need looking into - I suspect this might have something to do with the shockingly bad and soaking wet decking.

*We would need to replace kitchen and bathroom within 12-18 months.

*It has been on the market since last May and the sellers have not started looking for a house.

*We can move FAST, have a mortgage in principle and a good deposit, does that put us in a good position?

My heart says "BUY IT, GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT", it's the only house for miles within our comfortable price bracket which has more than 2 bedrooms. Finding something like this is near on impossible but does this mean we should overlook the amount of work we need to do it?

My FIL suggests going in first of all at £112,500 which is 10% off the asking price with a view to spending no more than £120,000. But because it is so different and properties like this don't crop up often do you think we should be wary of taking 10% off the asking or is it true a first offer should be insulting?

I love it and DH thinks it has "good bones and amazing potential", I could see us living there for 10-15 years.

HALP!

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ohhifruit · 13/01/2014 11:25

Thank you everyone. It's reassuring to talk it through with people who don't have the emotion involved.

Teacupdrama - that's fab and yep we have an agreement in principle and could move tomorrow if needs be as we have a buffer for an extra month of rent on top of mortgage should we need it.

Do we phone the EA and say what we need to say or do we have to submit the offer in writing?

Why is all such a damn game?!

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ChilliQueen · 13/01/2014 11:28

Just phone the EA. Be firm. Good luck!

Tiredemma · 13/01/2014 11:29

just phone the EA.

ohhifruit · 13/01/2014 11:29

Yes we're renting.
I think £110,000 will be rejected but it's a starting point, right?
If it gets pushed up higher then we could start mentioning them going into rented if they can't meet the 10 weeks?
I really don't want to bring the baby home to this horrible, damp flat and moving in with family isn't an option as they're all 100miles+ away.

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ChilliQueen · 13/01/2014 11:38

A point worth noting... if you want a very quick sale (ie. the artist to get out within a few weeks). It might be worth offering the asking price or very close to asking price (SUBJECT TO SURVEY - in case shed loads wrong with place and you do need to reduce later in process). Otherwise no one unless they are desperate is going to sell their house that much reduced and spend a fortune in rent while they look to buy somewhere. Please have a survey - ideally a full structural one.

ohhifruit · 13/01/2014 11:42

Thank you all so much.
ChilliQueen, we will be getting a full structural survey and we hope to view again this week with a friend who is a builder so he can give us an idea of what work would ideally need doing an idea of how much it woul cost.

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Dromedary · 13/01/2014 11:43

Yes, being a ready to go buyer isn't in fact an advantage to the seller if they are not at all ready to go.

ChilliQueen · 13/01/2014 11:46

Good luck - I once viewed a house with polystyrene ceiling tiles. WHY!?!!? They'll be a bugger to get off. But on a good note, it's always better to buy a house where you need to do everything... that way you get the interior you really want rather than putting up with someone else's taste but can't justify removing it as it's perfect (albeit revolting!).
Lucky you having a builder friend - we could all do with one of those when viewing houses. x

tombakerscarf · 13/01/2014 12:04

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bishboschone · 13/01/2014 12:56

Sorry I was thinking of my lovely estate agents who have helped me ..
Prob not best to tell them !

LooseTheBlubber · 13/01/2014 12:58

I would offer £115 to £120 subject to survey also, I think £110k from £125k could piss them off.

poorbuthappy · 13/01/2014 13:00

When we last bought sellers wouldn't accept offers from us until we had an offer on our house. I assume its still the same now?

HomeHelpMeGawd · 13/01/2014 14:39

In your shoes, I would take your builder round, find out what it would cost to do up to a basic standard, and then take that off the asking price, and say so to the agent, eg "Our builders tell us it will cost 15k to fix the polystyrene tiles and water ingress at the back door, plus other remedial works. We are therefore making an offer of 125 less the 15k, ie 110."

When they come back and say "That's not enough" you'll be able to say "Look, any other buyer is going to find out that these costs exist when they bring round their surveyor, and you'll end up in the same position but tied to an exchange. So you're really better off going with us"

SantasLittleMonkeyButler · 13/01/2014 14:45

I'd go in at £115k expecting to need to go up a bit. Purely from watching Location, Location, Location this weekend - there can be added issues with end of terrace houses apparently (cracks in the end wall etc.) and damp problems in houses with cellars.

So would definitely want a full survey.

TeacupDrama · 13/01/2014 18:46

definitely ask for 2nd viewing with builder do not offer before this, i would suggest still going at 110K the worse they can say is no if you go up to an acceptable price will it matter you started low , no-one is going to turn an offer of 115K down just because you offered 110k earlier,

ohhifruit · 14/01/2014 19:27

Thank you all so much for your replies. We have no booked to view the house again on Saturday and will be taking a long our builder friend with us for a good look. It's such a shame he lives in Dubai and can't help us with building and other works on any home we buy because his work is first class.

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Preciousbane · 14/01/2014 19:53

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AgathaF · 14/01/2014 21:14

Start at around 10% less than the asking price and expect first offer to be refused. From what you have said, I really wouldn't want to pay the asking price - too much needs doing.
Zoopla will tell you what price changes it has had.
Good luck.

ohhifruit · 18/01/2014 15:13

Wow what a day! Visited the house at 10am with our builder friend who thinks there is £5k of work we'd need to do within a month of moving in (roof issues) and up to £25k down the line. This is about what we imagined.

On last visiting the house we had not been able to access the loft, today we were able to get up there and it is an incredible space with a full staircase, plumbing and even a small skylight which we hadn't been able to see from outside. It could easily become a 4th bedroom or master room with en suite without very much hassle or effort. This space hadn't been listed in the particulars at all which strikes me as odd.

Afterward we went straight to view another house and it was lovely, however it confirmed how much we loved the 1st house.

We put in an offer of £112,000 at noon and had it rejected within 20 minutes. We went back with £115,000 which has also been rejected and we have now gone back with £118,000. I'm a bit scared they're going to stop taking offers from us, what do you think?
We really want it, so should we just offer the asking if they decline £118k?

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bishboschone · 18/01/2014 15:19

No , jut keep
Going up until he accepts .. If he hangs on for the asking price you haven't lost anything trying .. Only a fool would not accept your offers ..

clio51 · 18/01/2014 15:55

Stay as you are for now!! If he hasn't sold may then nobody finds it a bargain!

You can go on zoopla and find the first price it was up for and think you can go back 7 years have a look just put street on postcode in if you know.

You have made 3 bids today , he knows your interested! He's trying you out
Leave it till monday(I know you want it but remember no ones bought it since last may!!!!)

TeacupDrama · 18/01/2014 17:10

if he rejects it say the offer is still on the table till monday do not offer again today whatever

though there is a staircase to loft it can not be described as anything other than a loft unless the staircase meets building regulations ( not necessary for ladder/stairs to reach storage space but is needed if described as either bedroom or living space the not mentioning it means nothing really you would assume most houses to have a loft maybe floored maybe not may have lighting and/or left ladder but unless properly converted it is not living space

bishboschone · 21/01/2014 16:54

Did you get it?

ohhifruit · 21/01/2014 18:24

The seller is still making his mind up. Confused

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ohhifruit · 21/01/2014 18:38

Small update on that. EA phoned DH just as he was going into a meeting and the vendor came back and said for £120,000 we could have the house if we consider buying his parking (which is a separate piece of land).
Not sure what to make of that or of what the price would be for the parking space.
DH didn't get back to them because he was going into a meeting and obviously we need to discuss this tonight.

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