Property enthusiasts! Come and tell me what you'd do to this house to get a bigger kitchen ...

[Mintyy]

Love this house (gentle roffle at the bathroom) but kitchen tiny.

What could be done to the kitchen/dining room/front door arrangement to make something more modern?

That second house doesn't seem to have the dining room - the door in the kitchen seems to lead outside.

I would say that the internal kitchen wall isn't load bearing.

Windows are generally on exterior walls, exterior walls are almost always load-bearing (they help to hold up the storeys above and the roof). The size of the window is irrelevant, it will have a lintel or something similar above it to support the load above it.

Windows are generally on exterior walls, exterior walls are almost always load-bearing (they help to hold up the storeys above and the roof).

Eh? Of course. But the window at the top of that kitchen wall goes up to the ceiling and the whole length of it. I would imagine that it is unlikely that it is load-bearing.

We have knocked one or two load bearing walls out - it's not like I've never done it before.

£20k less although only 3 bedrooms, could you put a 4th bedroom in the loft using the difference and the money you'd save as it'd need less work in the house?

The window doesn't go up to the top of the room but, even if it did, it doesn't mean that that wall is not load-bearing.

Thanks don'tmind, but I don't want a Victorian house any more. That one is similar to the house I am moving from.

I have a 60's mid terrace house - tis very cheap to run

I have totally got my groove on for a 60s or 79s house Random! Bit hard to find in Lunnun, sadly.

60s or 70s obvs.

I'm confused lalalonglegs. Are we talking about the same wall? The internal one to the reception room?

My house is smaller than that one, 18' x 22' only thing supporting it other than external walls is a brick pillar in the middle and a steel beam either side! Found out that the internal brick walls don't actually load bear at all

Do you want to stay in that area? Would you consider a move around to Blackheath/Greenwich sort of a way for something like this?

We have a double beam across the kitchen/dining room because there was a cupboard in one of the rooms that was also supporting the upstairs. We have a large dormer in above it so it all has to be super-supported because we cut through the roof.The steel goes through the hall too.

That kitchen is just appallingly laid out. If you redesigned it to make the most of the space and turned the dining room (which is way too narrow to be a dining room anyway) into a pantry/laundry it would be plenty big enough.

There is a window from the kitchen looking out to the front. I have been in a new house - built 5 year ago, that you walked straight into the kitchen - so you could change the position of the front door to the kitchen window and then have the kitchen covering the entrée front of the house with the lounge left intact and the dinning room left as a snug (it is small at 6ft)

We are not talking about the same wall it turns out, Primal . I am talking about the picture of the kitchen with the fridge in it. The wall that I now see that you are talking about is unlikely to be load bearing because, if you look at the floorplan, it has no structure above it.

I though I was going bonkers.

Have you looked at this one on the same street? £50k cheaper, bigger kitchen though a slightly odd layout

There's this one too.

Looking at the SE23 search for £650k though I think Foxtons are way over-pricing these. I know the Dulwich side has a premium but there are 4-bed 1930s houses going for similar amounts on the same side up towards HOP. You might be after a 60s house but most people aren't.

I spent nearly 2 years looking for a 60s house and only one came on the market and sellers changed mind at last minute!

I havent read all the thread, but these 60's houses best to redo!knock down the wall between kitchen dining room and open it up and put the units further into dining room, and if affordable could extend the dining room further into garden to make the whole room more well proportioned, it would look fab with sliding doors on the side entrance of dining room.

if you buy the October 2013 edition of Ideal Home - there is a pretty much exact same house - but without the useless dining thing on - they have made a lovely home of it ! very uncluttered !! Article starts on page 56 ! well worth a read !!

I tell you what I would do....I would take my 650 thousand and move to Cheshire where you'd get a bloody big detached house with a massive kitchen already in place!

This one looks a lot nicer and bigger and is not far away:

Woodcombe Crescent

Not helpful given the difference in price but I love this one, although it is a 50s house not 60s.

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-28165392.html