Lots of Kitchen questions including dual fuel cookers and gas cylinders

[KatyMac]

Are there rules about how far gas cylinders need to be from the cooker, from the house?
Are they expensive to buy? to run?
Are lots of cookers convertible?

Are those almost butler sinks from Ikea any good?
Can you put sinks into an island?

Can you have a kitchen in a conservatory? Do I need to do anything special safety wise?

How much kitchen can you fit in 16 by 12 reducing to 10? Is it worth it?

& how on earth do you do lighting?

No-one?

Oh I am adding a second kitchen to my house & splitting my utility room/downstairs loo into 2 and dissecting my current kitchen into a kitchen & a bedroom

& I need help

In no particular order...
Most gas hobs will come with a set of jets for use with non-mains gas.
Non-mains gas is significantly more expensive than mains gas so I would consider an electric hob. Either halogen or induction.
Butler sinks are a pain in the arse so don't bother. They're too deep so you'll likely get back ache from using it.
Yes, you can put a sink in an island if you can run the water and drainage under the floor.

I can't help with the rest...

I've had 10 years of Electric, & I want Gas back.......this is the only way I think

DH does the washing up, so I'll let him decide

Damn I was hoping to use a false back to the cupboard to get it to the wall as the main drain goes through the room

we have a domino gas hob as an extra....just try a stir fry on a range!

As said the hob will need different jets for the lpg, a cylinder lasts us about 8-12 weeks I suppose, but we do use it for the kettle. The gas cylinder just sits under the window...it's not the teeny one, it's the middle sized one, about a metre high i suppose.

In our previous house we had a set up with two cylinders so you never ran out, it would automatically swap over, with a single cylinder you will have to switch them over, in the dark and the rain when you are trying to cook something, we didn't do it here because it was substantially more expensive and not worth it just for the hob.

The only real bother we had with it was last year, with the prolonged below zero temperatures, the gas froze in the pipe. ...we are in the far NE of Scotland though, so this may never be an issue for you if you are a nancy ;) southerner.

How much is a cylinder?

We pay about 30-35 pounds. We get through one every 6-7 months since we stopped using it for the kettle!

That sound do-able
Thanks

I wonder if you can get a gas hob & grill with a fan oven

That sounds like a decent sized kitchen to me. I'll tell you about the Ikea sink in a couple of months because I've bought one but not fitted it. I can tell you now it's not as deep as a traditional undermounted sink, it's more the depth of the usual steel sinks. I think cracking it will be the main risk but at that price you could have a spare one on standby.

I'm sure I saw a range cooker once with one gas and one electric oven, maybe a Leisure?

For lighting we have gone for: two really bright ceiling lights here, 3 carefully positioned low energy spotlights to add light to the main work areas and no wall cabinets to cast a shadow. If it was a conservatory roof you could wall mount your main lights or suspend on wires (see other lights in the Ecomoods catalogue).

Don't know about conservatory, it would probably need to be one that met full thermal performance for a house so it was effectively a glass room.

I would suggest an architect or independent kitchen designer to help you get the space into perspective, it doesn't sound like a cheap job so probably worth a few hours of somebody's time.

We have a Falcon range cooker with gas hob, but electric grill and two electric ovens (fan). Gas cylinder prob lasts 4 months at least (now we have stopped using it for kettle) and I think a 19kg cylinder costs us around £35. We have the double cylinder arrangement with the switchover valve. Had to have a new regulator last year which was about £100 I think (previous one lasted about years). Bottles are directly on outside wall of house.

Lighting - we have the suspended wire lights, which can be moved along the wires, to fit under the beams in our ceiling. They can be swivelled through 360 degrees so can be pointed wherever light is required, plus a pendant over the dining table.

Interesting

I think the lighting will be a problem as it's a plastic roof

I wonder if I have to tell planning that I am 'splitting' the house iyswim

Can you buy stand alone draining boards?

I spent all day designing a kitchen (Ikea planner) & now I can't show anyone

Grrr

get an induction hob
on the island, if you dont have a sink, have a popup multisocket - the best addition to our kitchen

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can you split the hob and the oven so that the oven is eye level
and if using Ikea, scrap the low level cupboards - do drawers all round as then you never lose stuff at the back
also I cannot work out your "work triangle"
not being picky but I built my kitchen from the ground up and thought hard about what I'd reach from standing where ....

plates & that are the far side of the island
food behind the island opposite the fridge

Not sure about split level....Love the idea of drawers but the difference in price is £85 per cupboard which I can't afford

It's an isosceles one

I moved the fridge freezer on the top 2 photos

that looks better
I still think the dishwasher location may not work
and where will the sink taps go, and the draining board?

I have Stoves Dual fuel range cooker. I have bottled gas as there is no mains gas here. I find it very economical- I get through maybe 2 gas cylinders a year so my gas costs me £150 for the year at most.
Its a fab range and I am very pleased with it. I had to pay extra for the jets for bottled gas- but they were only £30.

Thanks for the info about cylinders/cookers that's good news

The taps are on the far side of the sink (I really need a two way sink) & the draining board to the left (I think)

So stack dirty dishes on the right, which go either into the dishwasher or washed in the sink, rinsed then stacked to the left and put away cutlery in the draws and crockery in the cupboards behind

Maybe?

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Butler sinks are a pita.

They dont keep the water warm and if you are a bit clumsy unlucky like me you break all your good glasses in them!

Stainless steel for me from now on! (also wouldnt have wooden work tops again..just not practiacal, cant get them wet, cant put hot pans on them, have to il them every 3 months...pita)

Am planning my new kitchen (in my head) and am planning on using Ikea so do let me know how you get on!

Wouldn't have wooden worktops I agree (I'm too lazy) but are Butler sinks really that bad.....oh dear

I have started ringing round for quotes