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How scary is gutting a house?

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Umnitsa · 16/02/2011 19:00

Having despaired at finding the right house we are now considering buying a property in need of modernisation and doing it up the way we want.

Whilst I may be tempted to do a Sarah Beeny, I am afraid we may bite off more than we can chew and end up hating the house (and each other). So, questions to the brave and wise who have done / are doing it at the moment:

We are thinking of a typical Edwardian or 1930s property ca. 170-190 sq. m which needs to be gutted and then rearranged as a 4-5 bedroom house with 2 bathrooms upstairs and a big kitchen / family room, a big reception, a utility room and a guest cloakroom downstairs. Assuming no loft or side return extension, no subsidence or leaky roof, what would be a realistic budget for it? I appreciate that all depends on the level of spec, but what is the minimum amount one should budget for internal structural works, rewiring, replumbing, flooring, plastering etc?

Ideally we would have the works done in discrete stages, e.g. phase 1 - core structural works, kitchen, 1 bedroom, 1 bathroom; then move in and continue decorating the rest of the house as the budget allows. Is it doable or a recipe for disaster and an eternal building site?

What should we expect timewise? E.g. if we complete, say, 1 May, how long does it normally take to find an architect, get the plans, find builders and do works? Would it be mad to expect moving in by August?

How far in advance should one book builders? Presumably, summer is the busiest season for them, will we have problems getting them start when we need it? We are in London by the way.

Would you recommend using one contractor with a project manager? How much does it increase the cost compared to hiring tradesmen for each job and managing the whole thing ourselves?

What are typical architect's fees?

Finally, if you've done such a project, do you regret going this route or it is perfectly manageable? If you were doing it again, what would you do differently?

Apologies for a long post, I'd really appreciate your advice.

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Umnitsa · 21/02/2011 00:31

Dinkystinky - that's what scares me, all the nasty surprises one is likely to uncover. Yours sounds like a proper big project!

Are you in London? How did you go about finding your builders and project manager? Were they oversubscribed and you had to wait till they could fit you in?

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dinkystinky · 21/02/2011 08:56

Yes, we're in London. And yes, its a bloody big job - but will hopefully be worth it in the end!

Our project manager is also our designer/architect - we found her through friends whose house she'd worked on and who highly recommended her. The builders - we put the job out to tender to about 8 builders (some of whom our designer had worked with previously, others of whom were recommended by friends who had had major works in their house) and then went through the tender bids with our designer and selected one - not the cheapest, not the most expensive but the most cost effective for the finish we want. Unless you know what you're doing like Noddy, having a good project manager is invaluable.

dinkystinky · 21/02/2011 08:57

Sorry to answer your last question, the tender process was a couple of months before we thought we'd start the works - once we selected a builder we firmed up a start date with them and then found a place to rent after that - we had to delay the start for a week due to them finishing up on a previous job but otherwise it all seems to be sticking to schedule so far.

Umnitsa · 22/02/2011 00:14

Thanks for that Dinkystinky.

Reality check.

Mmm, so it seems my fantasy of buying something by, e.g. May, and having it revamped in June / July whilst continuing renting, and then moving in in July/August is not going to happen. I was so hoping we can do this before I go back to work in September! I guess I could start canvassing friends for builders' names in their little black books, so that when we actually have a property we know whom to turn to and ask for quotes. But no one I know has done a big project with a designer, project manager etc...

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dinkystinky · 22/02/2011 10:30

Builders tend to bugger off on holiday in August/early September so may be pushing it to get the job done by September. But if you're not doing major structural work and its more superficial stuff, and you get a contractor who is willing to work saturdays (your local council will have restrictions on times the builders can work which you need to factor in) you may have a habitable building site (or at least a couple of rooms upstairs) by the time you return to work with the rest finishing downstairs shortly thereafter. If we werent doing the structural work the builders estimated around 4 months for our job.

Umnitsa · 23/02/2011 00:30

You are right, if we go for something less ambitious it might be easier to fit in the timeframe.

Are builders generally territorial? E.g. if you have a house in Dartmouth Park would you employ builders from Streatham Hill? Presumably, there might be an advantage with architects who work within a certain area and might know the bureaucrats in the council for obtaining all sorts of permits and approvals.

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ThatVikRinA22 · 23/02/2011 00:32

scary? no

but bloody expensive and very very dusty. id not do it again.

dinkystinky · 23/02/2011 08:50

Its a good idea to get an architect/ designer who has worked in the relevant borough before - they have leads into the relevant planning officers and know their little quirks/dislikes (for instance, Dulwich conservation area have various restrictions beyond planning laws and regulations, brent council hate side returns and second floor extensions so you'll have a fight on your hands etc). Builders are not so territorial - the firm of builders we're using (we're in NW london) are from Surrey. Their workers are based all over the place.

Umnitsa · 23/02/2011 18:48

Many thanks for patiently answering my questions, Dinkystinky! Methinks, time to start gathering info on good builders...

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dinkystinky · 23/02/2011 20:03

I'd definitely recommend ours - SB Construction - and our designer too. PM me if you want her details.

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