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School Fees - how worried are you now

218 replies

Lifeiseveryday · 28/03/2025 06:14

So when the VAT came in, I wasn’t too worried about school fees….maybe I had my head in the sand!
However, for next year, a number of schools near us have hiked both the fees recently, alongside the VAT.
I’m feeling much more nervous now about where the fees are going to end up and the impact this will have on children. School is affordable for us but I am not sure if it is ‘value for money’ anymore.
I know there have been lots of threads on VAT but I am more worried now, than when the policy came out. So as a temperature check, how is everyone else feeling? I have 8 more years of fees…

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1503irish · 28/03/2025 10:01

London day school parent and our yearly fees are now over £30k. We are planning to move post 16+.

VeryNiceDay · 28/03/2025 10:05

@Muchtoomuchtodo yes that's where we are now (tutors and online school), but it's not at all the same for a teen boy who wants to progress socially and feel like part of a real community. Being out of school is really not great, even with good tutors and online school at home. He wants to get on with life and feel like a valued part of a real community.

carcassonne1 · 28/03/2025 10:10

I'm not sure but I have a feeling that private schools, especially those around London, increasingly cater to the very wealthy Londoners and very wealthy foreigners. Where I live there are many private schools and ca. 70% of cohort is filled with wealthy foreigners from e.g. Dubai. For ordinary middle class folk - they are not affordable anymore and e.g. primaries are definately not value for money (you can teach them maths/English at home yourself while they go to a state primary). More and more people send their kids to a good state school, spend money on tutors for 11+ and only send kids to a secondary private school if they don't get a grammar school.

Roomgigi · 28/03/2025 10:14

Not worried but struggling to see what the value add is for the price charged

SheilaFentiman · 28/03/2025 10:26

hookeywole · 28/03/2025 09:33

move them to a state school for post 16, that's what many parents do, in the hope of maximising university opportunities.

I hear this a lot but is it really true?

I don’t think so. Simply “going to a state sixth form” doesn’t lead to a contextual offer. Different unis use different metrics but things like FSM, whether or not your home postcode is a deprived one, whether you are first in your family to university, whether your school or college sends few people to uni etc are all possible factors

ETA other reasons to change are: it is a natural breakpoint to save money if needed, the child wants a co ed sixth form if currently at single sex, the child wants to study subjects not available through current school (eg btec or specific a levels)

Rollofrockandsand · 28/03/2025 10:29

DD went private due to SEN and the plan was to move youngest there for 6th form but I’ve made the decision that effectively £32k per year plus extras isn’t value for money. He’s in an excellent state school so he can stay there or move to another state option. It’s getting to be silly money if you chair a good state school and they don’t have SEN. Eldest went state all the way and did amazingly and is following exactly the same route as his privately educated peers (RG uni, City grad schemes etc)

Addictforanex · 28/03/2025 10:33

ShiiiiiiiiiitDinosaur · 28/03/2025 08:26

Mine went to state schools and did well. I am not against private education however, I do feel that if you set the precedent for private school for your own children you should be willing and able to support their children (should they have any) in private education too. This should follow on each generation.

My DC is on a Uni course and the majority of students on it went to private school. They all seem to have a very biased view of state schools being shit.

All children are individuals you just need to adapt and ensure your children thrive by using the means available to you.

Honestly, if I could easily afford private school I would have sent them. I don’t see it as a value for money dilemma if you are not having to budget or go without to afford it.

Edited

I have 2 in PS and whilst it is affordable now it is quite a thought that we have many more years of this and other things have to be compromised on - largely holidays.

It has never crossed my mind that I would be “supporting” (by that do you mean paying for?) all my grandchildren to go to PS. Why would I? I pay for fees out of income and I’ll be retired by then. My parents don’t help out with my kids’ PS fees atall, why should they, it’s my choice. I went to a state comp.

hookeywole · 28/03/2025 10:34

@SheilaFentiman thank you

80smonster · 28/03/2025 10:59

hookeywole · 28/03/2025 09:29

@80smonster I don't understand why you are asking me those questions?

All I said was the funding model
in state schools is based on numbers of pupils? Are you saying that isn't the funding model?

I’m saying, to date, the schools have received no funding. Is that your understanding too?

DeafLeppard · 28/03/2025 11:11

hookeywole · 28/03/2025 09:33

move them to a state school for post 16, that's what many parents do, in the hope of maximising university opportunities.

I hear this a lot but is it really true?

It's utter bollocks.

hookeywole · 28/03/2025 11:20

@80smonster you think schools have received no funding at all?

hookeywole · 28/03/2025 11:22

Im confused by what you are trying to challenge me on?

Schools get funding every year based on headcounts.

twistyizzy · 28/03/2025 11:25

hookeywole · 28/03/2025 11:22

Im confused by what you are trying to challenge me on?

Schools get funding every year based on headcounts.

But they only get it in Sept. So any in year transfers aren't covered. Plus they are calculated on rolls earlier in year eg April. If Sept comes and they suddenly get 10 more kids than expected in April they don't get the money until following Sept

hookeywole · 28/03/2025 11:26

I never claimed otherwise? I simply said funding was based on headcounts.

Jinglejanglejangle · 28/03/2025 11:31

We are lucky because we have substantial savings that could go onto this should the need be there but with 3 at public school and the fact that our youngest is really just at the beginning of his school career, the numbers are a bit terrifying. It is about where it's going to end up. Senior is now £20k a term - where is that gonna be in 14 years time!?

80smonster · 28/03/2025 11:32

hookeywole · 28/03/2025 11:26

I never claimed otherwise? I simply said funding was based on headcounts.

Yes, but this means schools have to cover the costs of the new children for a year - before receiving any funding. Which seems an unnecessarily tricky position for them to be put in. Overall, unless the movement/number are great enough, there won’t be extra teachers - just larger class sizes. Time will tell.

80smonster · 28/03/2025 11:34

hookeywole · 28/03/2025 11:20

@80smonster you think schools have received no funding at all?

They have received no funding so far, that’s how state funding works (it doesn’t get paid on the term the child starts, it’s allocated once a year). It’s yet to be seen if Labours gamble will pay off.

twistyizzy · 28/03/2025 11:36

hookeywole · 28/03/2025 11:26

I never claimed otherwise? I simply said funding was based on headcounts.

The point is they haven't received any funding yet

Snugglemonkey · 28/03/2025 12:04

Doingmybestbut · 28/03/2025 07:05

Very much not a lottery.

It feels like a lottery when you cannot access anything suitable.

hookeywole · 28/03/2025 13:13

Yes, if a dc moves in year to a school with available space the school does not get additional funding for that pupil until the next headcount.

Overall, unless the movement/number are great enough, there won’t be extra teachers - just larger class sizes

So don't state schools have to have waiting lists anymore or do they have to accept every in year transfer?

Meadowfinch · 28/03/2025 13:21

VeryNiceDay · 28/03/2025 06:57

@Meadowfinch and @Fandangofarago would it be okay if I pm you? It's hard to explain in a public thread as it involves a lot of private information about DS, but I'd be really grateful for your thoughts. Thanks!

yes, of course

Meadowfinch · 28/03/2025 13:28

Doingmybestbut · 28/03/2025 07:05

Very much not a lottery.

@Doingmybestbut Your local state schools must be better than the one we were offered a place at.

Ofsted's own report said it wasn't safe, that the staff had no idea who was on site at any time, they had no idea what the 6th form were up to, that bullying was rife, that younger pupils were at risk of assault from older pupils. Exam results were dire. It was put in to special measures.

Twelve months after that, they wound up the trust, fired the board of governors and handed the school over to a different trust.

So it is very much a lottery.

Thankfully, in the interim, ds won a scholarship and we were able to go elsewhere.

SheilaFentiman · 28/03/2025 13:37

80smonster · 28/03/2025 11:32

Yes, but this means schools have to cover the costs of the new children for a year - before receiving any funding. Which seems an unnecessarily tricky position for them to be put in. Overall, unless the movement/number are great enough, there won’t be extra teachers - just larger class sizes. Time will tell.

Ok… but in practice, it’s unlikely to be for a year in many cases. Either pupils will move at the start of a school year and thus be in headcount, or they will move for a part year - and some of those which do the latter will be going into a school where another child has left to create the place, but said child was in the headcount so it is a like for like replacement.

hookeywole · 28/03/2025 13:48

@SheilaFentiman that's why I was confused. Surely only very undersubscribed schools who never were full will have funding issues if they are inundated with new dc? But I am not sure those schools will be the ones parents want.

WombatChocolate · 28/03/2025 14:40

The private school market is shifting. Things like VAT and the extra NI contributions will be speeding that up.

We will see fewer private schools and they will be for the v rich.

Parents are stretched with fees. Schools are stretched with massive costs of the full VAT (most haven’t passed full amount on) and Nat ins and possibly pension costs. Many schools are down in applications and numbers. That means they have less income and what they can offer diminishes. Some reach a point where it’s not viable and close or have to merge into a more successful group or school.

Some schools remain hugely popular and successful. Through acquisitions of other schools, owning schools abroad etc, they can weather the storm of the increased costs. What they offer gets further removed from what other places can offer. They survive and get a bit bigger. But they are increasingly expensive and fewer can afford them.

In London and the south east there are still enough wealthy people to fund and fill expensive schools. In other areas less so. All areas will see schools close, but proportionately to the existing number it will hit London and south east less hard.

People who will be hit hard might well be families who went private due to SEN - sometimes to smaller and not quite so expensive schools. These are likely to be the ones that close. And many of those kids would struggle to get places at the highly competitive ones and parents would struggle with the fees. Greater inequality.

It’s hard to see where a ‘no frills’ private education can fit in…and cover its costs. Many smaller schools are already pretty no-frills and can’t cover their costs. It costs more per head in small schools and such schools need to equal it better state provision in terms of staff numbers etc…but sometimes can’t.

It’s no a win situation for very many really. Kids in state schools have faced a steadily declining provision due to real terms spending cuts over many years. There is a huge recruitment and retention crisis. It also hits private schools that can’t offer better conditions and wages. Some private schools will be pushed out of the market. Some of those kids will go into other privates but many into state schools.

The winners are the bigger, successful schools and the smaller number of parents who can afford them …an increasingly exclusive group. Again a society with growing inequalities.

Few outside private education will have much sympathy for those who were in private and find VAT or other price rise factors push them out, or for those whose schools close down in the next few years. When their own kids have been in state all the way through, it’s hard to expect much sympathy from those who never had access to privilege even for a short time, no matter if parents felt it was needed for SEN or whatever reason.

We are becoming a more unequal society. Some who had previously just about afforded the luxury of a fee paying education will no longer be able to….in the same way fewer people will be home owners etc. As a society a few are getting richer but many are worse off.