these levels.... what is a 6c?

[ChuppaChups]

my dd got good sats results, but on her report today they science teacher has said her target for next year is 6c, this is really high and am proud but what age group does this really belong too- year 8? or higer?

"my message was succinct enough" - yep, sure was - so succinct it omitted to mention what you really wanted to know . 6-7 yrs posting doesn't mean there isn't more to learn hey?

5t may have been succinct - but I still don't know what you wanted to know!

I know what she meant - she meant 2b is your average 7 year old, 4b is your average 11 year old, so what is 6c?

I hadn't a clue, Chuppachups, since it's beyond primary. I am also a little mystfied as to why you've had quite so much flack on this thread.

I'd hazard a guess that if the "average" child got a 4b in yr6 and continued to make the expected progress of two sub levels a year they'd be a 5c end of yr7 a 5a end of yr8 and a 6b end of yr9 so a 6c for the "average" child would be expected mid yr9. Obviously for your DD getting a level 5 I'd have thought it was the expected target for the end of yr7.

thankyou feenie, a nice person at last.

But what lota of people have tried to say is that your dd is obviously not an average child because an average child does not get a level 5 in year 6. So asking what age is appropriate for a 6c is not relevant to your child - she is obviously a level 6 in year 7 child. That's why you didn't get what you wanted - you were asking an unanswerable question. 6C would be a high target for a year 7 child who had been a 4b in year 6. But it's not high for your dd who is obviously a bright cookie.

Not once did i ask for opinions as to whether my child was average or not.

I asked what age group 6c belongs too!

The threads finished, partys over

its summer holidays you should be having fun with your kids not leaving strange comments on websites!

Nah - for some people it is a measure they can understand. I see many posters on here whose able child achieved say, 3b in KS1 teacher assessments, and they don't really know what that means. Then they see one of those tables which tells them that an average Y4 child should be a 3b, and suddenly it makes more sense to them.

That's the question I think Chuppachups wanted answering, at her dd's level. I have read through this thread again, carefully, and I can't find anywhere where Chuppa got in a huff because people hadn't said her dd was a genius.

She joined in the debate when it went off at a tangent regarding Science assessments being too easy, but that doesn't mean she took the huff.

I answered the original question in 5th post on this thread!

"i smell a green eyed monster mate!!"

Here Feenie, it was this type of retort that was antagonizing. Many people tried to answer the question of Chuppa didn't want to listen.

Chuppa - you failed to say you'd found the info you were after until long after the event or thank the poster (or indeed any poster who had taken time to try & answer you). Indeed throughout the thread your tone has been brusk and dismissive.

I assume it was grimmas link here which told you what you wanted to hear, but I would treat that info with caution for the following reasons...

It says level 4 is 'average for a typical 11 year old' That is how the SATs grades were originally supposed to work, but it later became a 'target that 11 year olds were expected to achieve' instead which is a totally different kettle of fish. There was some stuff in the press about how supposedly average grades had become target grades that all children were expected to meet and the impossibility of this actually happening (as some children really won't ever meet them) & a general winging about the governments failure to comprehend what the word 'average' actually means.

As 44% children achieve level 5 nationally at 11, a 4 is clearly NOT average at that age any more (though maybe it was once) - the median/mean would be a near miss 5 (pretty much the 4/5 boundary). Therefore, I would treat that links assertion that L6 is achieved by an average 14 yo with a pinch of salt too - it's more likely to be the level that the government thinks/forlornly hopes all 14yos should achieve.

To be fair, bruffin, that was in retaliation to posters who had accused her of wanting her child to be called a genius.

I think people did try to help, but didn't perhaps explain it in a this equals this sense. Even seeker, who is always very helpful, just gave it as her opinion. Agree that Chuppa didn't react well, but I can see why she was needled - I don't think that it was helpful to say that Science assessments are too easy, for example.

Can just see both sides. Now, if I could just apply that to my own life occasionally....

I understand why you're asking, but as your dd goes into secondary school it is helpful to lose the level = age thing. We would never use a comparison like that in our school.

Remember too that targets are really calculated from end of key stage assessments using a particular formula, so don't really tell you any more than the assessment itself in terms of potential. Professional opinion and discretion are not encouraged when it comes to target setting

Interesting LInk about debate over the change from the move from 'average acheivement' to 'expected achievemnet' to in some cases 'minimum expected standard'.

TheFallenMadonna - thanks for your comment but my daughter isnt moving onto secondary school as mentioned earlier in thread as in the county i live in we have a three tier school system lower, middle, upper. My daughter will stay in middle school till end of year 8. Whatever school/age my dd is in levels will be important!
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It is interesting - is seems that the age thing is only really relevant for "average" children, whatever they are. An "average"7 year old is a 2b, an "average" 11 year old is a 4b. So if your child has hit these levels at this age you know she's more or less on track. But I have a 13 year old who has ended year 8 with levels ranging from 5b to 7b in all her various subjects - and all of these are fine and appropriate for her age. It doesn't make sense to say that a 13 year old should be at level whatever - because they probably won't be!

I didn't say levels weren't important. I was trying to say (nicely) that trying to marry up an age and a level is a misunderstanding of what levels represent. And not helpful.

Your daughter will move to an upper school before then end of the next key stage. I assure you that they will never use these comparisons. In fact, I doubt that the middle school does, otherwise you wouldn't be asking about it on here.

Next year btw she will probably (should anyway) be assessed using a new skills-based framework as well as tests, and that will give you a good idea of what different levels mean in terms of achievement and progress. But still no ages attached

fallen madonna i happen the think levels ARE important and so do dds schools plus many of my friends with children and other schools in the are.

DDs school give out a maths award in year 8 and the girl who won was working at level 8 standard and her parents are very proud.

In my original post i dont ask for opinions on if people think levels are important. The question i did ask has since been answered, i dont really understand why you feel you have to add further comments!

Level 2 represents expectations for the average 7 year-old
Level 4 represents expectations for the average 11 year-old
Level 5-6 represents expectations for the average 14 year-old

6(c) means working at the bottom of level 6

I'm going to repeat the first sentence of my previous post, because I'm not sure you read it.

"I didn't say levels weren't important."

Everything we do is based around levels. My students (I am a science teacher) know the level they are working at, and the level they are working towards. What they don't know, because it makes no sense, is what chronological age is supposed to 'go' with what level. And again, because you are askinga bout it on here, it seems likely that your school doesn't tell them that either.

well i know my dd is an absolute superstar and level 6c as a target is awesome!

now were getting tn the crux of the matter

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i was being sarcastic you tit!

oh i kuow u were. i just couldnt resist seing another flounce.u are too good at it. u have got good advice here whilst being told a few home truths + all u can do is describe peoples comments as strange, call everyone on mn a playground of cyber bullies, describe others as jealous,me as a tit and then when u heard something u liked u called the poster "nice". u threatened to leave the thread a few times but tg u came back for more. keep it up!