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so- have written to head tonight- ds1 broke down at bedtime [sad]

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oops · 26/10/2008 20:35

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misselizabethbennet · 26/10/2008 21:49

My DS is 6 and has been pretty unhappy since starting Yr 2, although improved a lot during the last week.

I know how painful it is when your child is unhappy - sorry for you going through this.

My situation is quite different from yours, but one factor for DS is that one (relatively minor) incident would colour his whole day and he was constantly saying he 'hated school'. We made a chart together and he wrote how his day was at the end of each day - if there had been a small incident we talked about it in the context of the whole day and he usually ended up saying the day was quite good or 'middle-ish'. Bullying is, of course, a serious issue and you're absoultely right to follow it up, but something like this might help him a bit in the short term while it's getting sorted out.

Good luck.

triggerfish · 26/10/2008 21:54

my ds has been through all you described. we chose to move our ds to a different school, having spent nearly 3 yrs hoping the school would get to grips with him. They never did! His new school are also having problems with his behaviour but are so much more positive. They are thinking he may have AS which would not be a surprise for us as he has always been totally different to his peers - very bright, eccentric, not afraid to make a scene if he doesn't agree with something (terrible behaviour!!). Now he has a more positive school environment, we are slowly getting somewhere. I'm not having to drag him there screaming and kicking every day. All I would say is look very carefully at how they manage and promote good behaviour etc.. Our DS last school were always happy to show off their reliable pupils, with no danger of them showing the school in a bad light. His new school gives EVERY child a chance to shine, in whatever they feel comfortable doing - even if it is that they get a special thankyou in assembly for saying something nice, or sitting still for register. Good luck, I feel for you.

triggerfish · 26/10/2008 21:54

my ds has been through all you described. we chose to move our ds to a different school, having spent nearly 3 yrs hoping the school would get to grips with him. They never did! His new school are also having problems with his behaviour but are so much more positive. They are thinking he may have AS which would not be a surprise for us as he has always been totally different to his peers - very bright, eccentric, not afraid to make a scene if he doesn't agree with something (terrible behaviour!!). Now he has a more positive school environment, we are slowly getting somewhere. I'm not having to drag him there screaming and kicking every day. All I would say is look very carefully at how they manage and promote good behaviour etc.. Our DS last school were always happy to show off their reliable pupils, with no danger of them showing the school in a bad light. His new school gives EVERY child a chance to shine, in whatever they feel comfortable doing - even if it is that they get a special thankyou in assembly for saying something nice, or sitting still for register. Good luck, I feel for you.

triggerfish · 26/10/2008 21:56

sorry! I hadn't realised I posted it twice!!

Aero · 26/10/2008 22:00

Yes - two things going on for sure. School needs to deal with the fact that these children have picked up on your ds1's vulnerability and seem to be winding him up because they can. It is bullying really, although six year olds probably won't see it that way, but all the same, it needs to be pointed out to them that they are hurting your ds and that's not acceptable.

Have you had contact with the SENCo at school re ds1? From a SEN point of view, they should be able to support him in whatever ways are best suited to his needs and that includes the social thing. I find dd plays with boys a lot as they are so much less demanding in terms of friendship from her. Also, she seems to gravitate towards other children with SEN. Also a few of the girls in her class are kind in nature and are happy to include her when she's feeling lonely (usually picked up by understanding playground supervisor).

oops · 26/10/2008 22:00

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Yurtgirl · 26/10/2008 22:09

Oops - Ok!

My ds is now in year 2 - a gorgeous boy, sometimes thoughtful, kind, sensible etc

But most of the time he is just as you describe your ds - eccentric, clever (often in a knowitall way!) volatile, sensory issues

To your description I would also add - hopeless at using cutlery (he eats everything with his fingers!), finds handwriting very difficult - ie poor fine motor skills

Gross motor skills - poor at running, strange walk, poor at climbing up and down.

Numerous fears - climbing up and down! wobbly bridges in a park, dogs, new situations/people, darkness, doesnt like loud noises - even singing at school

Language - very wide voccabulary, slightly odd sentances, very pedantic about everything

Very keen sense of smell/taste

Obsessive compulsive behaviour as well - handwashing, worries about dirt/germs in his food

Does any of this sound familiar?

HTH

oops · 26/10/2008 22:15

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pointygravedogger · 26/10/2008 22:22

your poor ds. You need to go in for a proper meeting, I think, to talk through things.

triggerfish · 26/10/2008 22:30

Sorry if you feel the mention of AS is us suggesting that your ds may have it. I can only speak for myself but I was trying to put across how important it is to make sure your school is meeting your childs needs, whatever they may be. My ds is nearly 8yrs and I wish I had moved him earlier. I'd hate any other child to put up with unfair treatment for longer than was necessary. Sorry.

oops · 26/10/2008 22:36

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Yurtgirl · 26/10/2008 23:21

Oops why dont you get him referred to be assessed - I was hesistant at first but knowing that my ds does have AS has been a relief for me tbh

Aero · 26/10/2008 23:54

TBH oops, I never considered ASD for dd either. Worst case scenario I was thinking of was ADD, having read a lot about it and what I read could have been written with dd's name on it. However, the ASD traits are there, although more subtle. She can and does interact and play with her peers, but because of how she puts herself across, the friendships don't last. I felt she came across as a bit hostile/uninterested towards her peers when she was in pre-school and was always on the edge of play. She didn't have any real friends there and although I noticed it, at that stage I wasn't too worried, but couldn't understand why she seemed so left out when ds1 had been so happy there and had made good friends, even at that early age.

As time has gone on, certain 'symptoms' if you like, have become more obvious and things started to add up. We sought medical advice because the way she just 'is', affects her learning and her ability to 'fit in', to her detriment, and it wasn't just us who noticed these things. It was noted at home, in school and in holiday club over the summer. You really can't put it in a nutshell as she can appear totally 'normal' (for want of a better word), but her learning/self esteem issues speak volumes that all was not as it should be.

Your ds sounds lovely btw, and I hope you can get things sorted out quickly re the playground issues as well as anything else you're concerned about.

oops · 27/10/2008 18:30

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MarmadukeScarletbloodstains · 27/10/2008 19:39

I checked your profile as I thought you were my good friend, who is going through exactly the same.

Summer born DS, really hating YR1. Was suggested an ASD assessment in Rec, but parents have head in sand I'm afraid (not saying you have, similar in all other ways) and said din't want this.

He is very intelligent - although obsessed with dinosaurs and his knowledge about them would shame the average palientologist!, pedant, poor social skills (apart from my DD who is in yr 4 but has some social skills problems herself and has a particular fondeness for boys with Aspergers), hand washing, licking odd things (chair/table leg for example) etc

He is being bullied by 2 boys at his school and very unhappy.

By head doctors do you mean top GP at your practice or a psychologist?

Most GPs would struggle to dx this sort of problem, my GP (that I think is absolutely fab) referred me for parenting skills classes when I went in to ask about DD's 'oddities'! Haven't yet ruled out aspergers for her, content at present with Dyspraxia!

oops · 27/10/2008 23:56

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MarmadukeScarletbloodstains · 28/10/2008 09:28

Yes, oops that would be lovely!

Your DS is a very lucky boy as you are obviously taking his distress very seriously and acting on it.

My DD still struggles (nr 9) with assertiveness with 'friends' and often has no-one to play with - she has been excluded and bullied when she was a bit younger so I have every sypmathy.

Good luck with getting support from teachers/HT.

oops · 28/10/2008 21:13

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3monkeys · 31/10/2008 11:56

Don't know if this helps but my DS1 had terrible social problems from nursery into reception, he was very eccentric and school didn't really help until he had a huge tantrum in the january of reception and slapped a dinner lady! Then they suddenly offered to help. Gradually he made a group of 3 lovely friends - all the odd bods together, they truly adore each other! He's now in year 4 and finally starting to interact with other people aswell - he invited 16 people to his birthday party this year! We had him assessed for Asperger's in year 2 - they said he didn't have it although he obviously had issues but was just very emotionally immature -I wonder if that's what they meant for your DS?

Yurtgirl · 31/10/2008 19:07

Ooops thats interesting! It sounds a bit as if you are being dismissed a bit by the doctor etc - Aspergers can vary so much between different people it is often difficult to spot - I would advise you to continue to investigate.

The National Autistic Society have a goodhelpline and some very interesting leaflets they can post out for free - or read on their website - which you may find helpful

Your ds sounds so similar to mine!

oops · 31/10/2008 20:32

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hunkermunker · 31/10/2008 20:39

Oops, let's meet up soon with our boys again.

Yurtgirl · 31/10/2008 20:53

3monkeys - What you said about your ds is really interesting as a comparison

Oops - ds waxes and wanes quite a lot too im afraid, sometimes he seems to exist on his own little planet sometimes not.

oops · 01/11/2008 03:29

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SofiaAmes · 01/11/2008 05:48

My ds has some of the characteristics you describe in your ds. He too is not autistic/aspergers, but interestingly his best friend is autistic and all his other close friends really can only be described as a little odd (I don't mean this as disparaging...that's how I would describe ds and most of my friends too). Anyway, to set the scene....in 1st grade (usa) ds started getting picked on by a group of boys who were older and more athletic. In fact 2 of these boys had been quite friendly with ds in kindergarten. He came home one friday night and at dinner when I asked about his day, he burst into tears telling me how mean they were to him. (Very similar to what you are describing...following him around and just being not very nice....behavior that my dd would have handled in 3 secs flat with a flip of her hair and a turn of her back). So, after resisting the temptation to call up the mothers (whom I was friendly with) and give them a piece of my mind, and after telling dh that he was not allowed to beat up the fathers and after telling dd (4 at the time) that she was not allowed to "kick their heads in." ....I decided to go speak to the teacher. She was not so good at teaching ds (just didn't get him and his odd ways), but she was absolutely brilliant at nipping the problem in the bud and pretty much eliminated for the whole rest of the year. What she did:

  1. Moved a bunch (not just ds and bully boys) of kids around in the class room and changed who they were sitting next to. Ds was seated such that he was not next to any of the boys he was having trouble with.
  2. Instituted a buddy system during recess and lunch. All the children were paired up with a buddy and they were required to play with that child for the entire recess and lunch period. Kids were paired with other kids that they might not normally play with (but ds was NOT paired up with the bullies). This lasted for a week. And for the rest of the school year, anytime she sniffed a social problem, she'd do another week of buddy system.
  3. She gave the class a lesson on being nice and respectful to everyone (without selecting out ds or the bully boys).

All three items were important, but in my opinion, the buddy system one was the most effective and definitely worth suggesting to your ds' teacher.

Over the years I have had a variety of problem with the school with regard to ds and have more than once gone to the principal for assistance. However, in this case, I felt that the issue really needed to be resolved by the classroom teacher. And luckily it actually was.

Getting back to your ds. He sounds lovely. He will find good friends. My ds didn't start getting his until the middle to end of 1st grade. His best friends now (all of whom were developed that year) are a boy with Aspergers, an eccentric gifted girl who still has 2 year old tantrums, a space cadet boy, an autistic boy and a hyper competitive jock. If I had to pick 4 kids to be stranded on a desert island with, they would be my ds' best friends. They are so much more fascinating than their peers.

However, be prepared to deal with the bullying issues on a regular basis. And with academic issues as well. I have been told at the beginning of every year that my ds is clueless and will fail the year. He always ends up being one of the top students. I also find that ds has good weeks and bad ones and they don't really necessarily seem to be related to obvious outside factors. Sometimes he is all there and completely focused on planet earth, and sometimes he can't remember to put on his shoes or take off his pj's before he gets dressed (he is almost 8 now). The important thing is for you to remain focussed on what your ds needs to function even if the teachers act as if it's a little weird or different. Stay firm and give him the support he needs, even if they claim that he's "too old" to need it. My ds remembers everything he's ever read, but still wanders up to his bedroom with his plate in his hand because he's forgotten that he was in the middle of clearing it to the kitchen. A few weeks ago, I found him at 8pm getting dressed, because he was naked and had gotten distracted and forgotten that he was in the middle of the getting pj's on ritual and had started on the getting dressed ritual. The darkness outside and his sister getting on her pj's next to him triggered absolutely nothing in him.
ok now I'm babbling, which is one of my theories on why my ds disappears off in his mind so much....it's just to get away from me and dd and our incessant talking....Hopefully some of this has been helpful for you.