Is it possible to get higher than a level 5 in KS2?

[GrapefruitMoon]

Please settle an argument for me - Is it possible to get a level 6 at KS2? I thought 5 was the highest?

Not possible no. There used to be a level 6 extension paper but not for the past few years.

not in the tests

but teach3es can do teacher assessment at level 6 - but hardly ever do

A child could be working at level 6, but in the actual SATS the maximum mark is Level 5. It has been this way for several years now. Prior to that it was possible to get Level 6, but it definitely isn't now.

extension paper vanished about 4-5 years ago

(year 5/6 teacher btw)

YOU CAN BE ASSESSED IN TEACHER ASSESSMENT AT LEVEL 6 - BUT RARELY DONE FOR A WHOLE HOST OF POLITICAL REASONS......

Thank you!

No the highest that the tests/ assessments/ curriculum go in KS2 is level 5.

There used to be an extension paper quite a few years ago for level 6 but not any more.

didnt mean to shout btwe

Along the same lines....

What % of them get a 4a or 5c?

What % of students get a 5b in their SATS at end of K2 and what % get a 5a?

Just roughly as an overall figure countrywide?

It just irritates me that they tell you how fantastic these results are but it doesn't mean much unless you know how it compares to the rest of the population IYSWIM

The current yr9s - ie took their SATs in 2005 had papers up to L6, but not since.

Now 5a is the highest possible to achieve, and it is very difficult to gain (particularly in English) because they can only afford to drop a very few marks in each paper/section to achieve it. (91+/100 in English, 94+/100 in Maths and 76+/80 in Science for 2008 tests.)

One of our catchment primaries sends a few children up with a report saying they are working at L6 in Maths, but it doesn't mean a great deal. The 'extension tables' of the top set comprises children from a variety of primaries, most of which don't take that approach.

The school should include national averages for comparison purposes when it publishes the results to parents. You can find it on the DCSF site also, when you look for your school's results you will find a comparison with the England average.

okay I still can't find the information I want only information for individual schools and just level 5 or above - argh!

the school sub divides the levels at their discretion
sats test only gives a straight 3, 4, or 5 hth

so basically I'm non the wiser because it seems like 40% get a level 5, so it isn't particularly outstandin but no idea what %age get a 5b or 5a or can I assume most of the 40% get a 5c?

Statistics like this irritate me because they are meaningless unless they give you the complete picture.

It is hard to get stats for sub-levels.

In English 5c is by far the most common. I think Maths and Science have proportionally more 5bs than English.

At our school (low achieving) 32% of yr7s get L5 in English:
26% 5c
6% 5b
0 5a.

Hope that helps. Why do you want to know?

My year 6 dd is due to get her sat results she is at the higher end of academic achievement but is at a school small that does not overall gain high achievement so I am wanting to understand how "highly" she is achieving at the moment compared to the rest of her wider peers. It's fairly easy to be in the top five of her year IYSWIM so it's only really the sat tests that give an insight. School always band that she is bright, able etc but never clarify what that means in real terms.

Also if 4 is the standard that the government expect dc to achieve at K2 then surely then I wouldn't have expected the %age who achieve 5's to be as high as it is? Or is it a case of an average child should get a 4a therefore 30-40% of the populations should be getting higher than a 4a.

Anyway I just wish they would scrap the whole sats thing and bring back richmond tests at the end of year 6 and that is the only assessment they ever do!

thy are - in the current format anyway

www.naa.org.uk/naa_17987.aspx shows the range of marks required for each level

so basically the subsets are meaningless because they are subjective - what's the point of having them then!

I'd be quite wary of using SATs results to gauge your childs ability in any case. It is after all just one or two tests per subject and they may be having a good or bad day or have been well or not well prepared by the school. I know a child who scored a 5 in maths at the end of year 6 and a term later at senior school was assesed on the 18th centile (ie bottom fifth) for maths by learning support.

by the way why is an assesment of level 6 so rare? What are the politicalreasons against it? I'd have thought schools would be quite keen to use it.

Basically the a,b,c subsets are used by schools to check progress through the years.

The main problem with SAT results is that a level 3 in KS1 isn't equal to level 3 in KS2 and level 5 in KS2 isn't equal to level 5 in KS3... which is why some children appear to make no progress/very little progress in Y3 and Y7.

presumable if they are scoring consistently the same from end of yr 5 and the numerous practice papers then it's a decent indicator or are they so badly written you can score well in maths and yet not understand foundational concepts?

Anyway the general consesus is 5a's are a rarity because you have to score very highly only dropping a few points which is difficult to, so def a small %age of the population where as getting a 5 your pretty much just the top half (near enough) of your year group.

Whatever they score in KS2 SAts, I am sure most secondary teachers would point out that often a level 5 achieved at primary is unlikely to be taken particualarly seriously at secondary. It's an indicator of performance but is not necessarily going to mean that they get the same level at secondary school.

Consistancy is the key thing. Some children just aren't though and of course you need more than one SAT result to know.