Why are teachers failing the narrative for boys, is boy playing incompatible with school

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Does anyone feel like boy play is deeply unsupported and thoroughly discouraged in school up to the point where boys are questioning if play is actually good / encourages boys to question if their hard wired need for play is a bad thing. Isn't this a downward spiral for boys to not support what nature gave them which could in turn affect academic work.

Sorry no idea what your point about codes is. Do you mean it was left out by accident? If so, why did the lead researcher say he didn't want to put it in because it "undermined the narrative" that black children were dying when under the care of white doctors?

I posted quotes from the paper that criticised the original research.

The problem is classrooms are too over crowded so the environment is way too controlled.
All children need to be outdoors more, not just sat for hours on end, it isn't natural.

Sure but classrooms in the past were not less crowded, were they?

I agree that children need to run about more, but not that that's the school's responsibility.

Ok I've found it. This?
"The very low birth weight diagnosis, however, is spread out across 30 individually rare ICD-9 codes (6), so that no indicator for the condition makes it to the list of the 65 most common comorbidities."
"Because most newborns are not diagnosed with any of the health conditions requiring a recording of their weight in the AHCA data, the most common weight classification is “no code” (comprising 91.7 percent of White and 87.4 percent of Black babies)."
It was a flaw in methodology, essentially. It happens in research.

That doesn't disprove the other criticism. There can be more than one problem with a study.

Since the study originally found that white babies did better when cared for by white doctors, does that mean that black doctors are racist towards white babies? That bit was left out of the final version of the study - because it "undermined the narrative" that black babies were dying due to racial discrimination.

Once you put all the data in, the issue becomes very different - not about racism but about VLBW etc. And the fact that the researchers chose NOT to do this, but to invent a "racism" narrative is the exact opposite of scientific research.

OP why don’t you just get a load of boys in your garden and let them play fight together? Not just the ones who want to fight but also those who don’t. Have about 30 children with just you supervising.
Any injuries will be your responsibility.
This seems to be what you are suggesting schools do.

Black doctors werent taking care of the sickest and littlest babies.

That's what I said.
The reason that more black newborns died under the care of white doctors was NOT racism, because more white babies also died under their care. But the reasearchers chose to disguise this fact because they wanted to invent a "racism" narrative, and your talk of codes is irrelevant; he SAID in the notes that that data point "undermined the narrative" of "black babies".

IOW they entirely misrepresented what the data really said, and did so for ideoligical reasons. That makes any further attempt at reinterpreting their data differently meaningless, because who knows what else they may have left out that didn't fit with what they wanted to find and that hasn't yet been identified?

When researchers knowingly misrepresent their studies, that isn't science, that's politics.

Yeah it's not that deep. Besides there are plenty of studies that prove systemic racism in medicine. We dont need to rely on one.

But there aren't - there are studies like this that are entirely unrelaible because they want to invent that narrative.

(There's no point in trying to reason with you - you already said that one should assume racism by default, so you don't need studies anyway.)

People with kids move away from London because
a) it’s extremely expensive to live there and unaffordable for most people once they have kids.
and
b) it’s a crime infested shithole and they don’t want their kids to be stabbed.

Also what’s all this about on travel links and having to walk miles to a neighbours house? You know there’s a middle ground between London and living on an isolated farm right?

They were far more crowded fifty plus years ago thanks to the very high birth rate. However, children were generally better behaved because it was expected at home as well as school - if you got into trouble at school, your parents would take an equally dim view of your behaviour and consequences were strictly reinforced. In addition to this, and I think crucially, we played outside vastly more than today's children.

Also, @Runlikesomeoneleftgateopen, how could you run a school without it being strictly controlled?

Using a car isn't natural.

Having a centrally heated house isn't natural.

Using the internet to post on mumsnet isn't natural.

Natural is a largely meaningless word.

so you're arguing institutional racism ISN'T a thing?

How are you explaining the reason that Black women are twice as likely to die in childbirth as white women?

Yes all of that exchange was to challenge the existence of systemic racism..

No I've no idea whether it's a thing in UK hospitals or not. I4m saying I've not seen any solid (research) evidence for it, and I cited one study which has been widely cited as supposedly proving such an instance (among newborns of very low birth weight) but has been shown to be entirely worthless because crucial data was deliberately left out so as to fabricate the narrative of racism against black newborns.

I'm sure it was (and maybe still is) a thing in the US because of their history of slavery, and I'm sure there are individuals in the UK healthcare system who are racist.

That's a different thing from saying the system has racism built in though.

Also, concerning black women's higher death rates, all sorts of reasons might explain that way before "doctors are racist and let them die" becomes any way plausible. Remember all the scare stories about "Asian minorities are dying of covid due to medical racism" which turned out to be due to a number of factors such as a lot of Asians working in healthcare, along with a higher rate of obesity, diabetes, heart disease and other medical issues leaving Asians more susceptible to the gravest forms of covid?

MBRRACE-UK reports have highlighted persistent inequalities in maternal mortality over a number of years. In 2021 to 2023, Black women died at 2.3 times the rate of white women and Asian women at 1.3 times the rate.

From the NHS.

I know. That's not in dispute. The question is whether racism is the cause, and that's quite a shocking allegation to make without serious evidence, which seems to be entirely lacking.

OK, but the reasons for the higher rate of obesity and diabetes and heart disease is because of higher rates of poverty in Asian families, because guess what - racism!

Are you seriously arguing that institutional racism isn't a thing? More than 20 years after Stephen Lawrence?

That's poverty though, not racism. Which is exactly my point. Poor white people also have high rates of obesity, and plenty of Asians are doctors, nurses or TV presenters. The idea that they're all kept back because of institutional racism is mad.

First generation immigrants are always (on average) poorer than people who have been there for generations. It takes several generations to overcome that disadvantage, and very wealthy families will artificially push that average up as well, but it's basically a class issue, not racism. (And I'm not even English, so it's funny that I'm defending them!)

And we weren't talking about the police, but about healthcare, which is different for so many reasons, starting with who they recruit, so I'm not even going to get into that.

Unbelievable. Except sadly all too believable

Not what I did though.
And call me unreasonable if you like, but I think a study that cherrypicks results to create a fake narrative that white doctors are not looking after newborns properly due to their skin colour is kind of a massive deal.

I guess you think it's ok to find people guilty because you want to, rather than because they are.

No-one said that either.

So you do accept systemic racism is a very real issue?