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DillyDallyingAllDay · 09/12/2025 16:50

Hello all,

I hope someone can give me some guidance on this issue that has come up with my childs school. The school make us sign a blanket trip consent form that covers all trips within the city limits. However, they seem to think its not important to actually tell us when and where the children are being taken- usually its places the children can walk to, because if a coach is involved we have to pay and thus, are informed that the trip is happening. Does this sound right? To me it seems like a safeguarding risk that I'm not even aware where my child will physically be during the day?

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AliasGrape · 10/12/2025 08:02

I taught for many years in primary schools, and because I had caring responsibilities for a few of them, spent several as a supply teacher so I saw a lot of schools.

I can totally see the OP’s point and I think those who don’t are being a little obtuse.

Yes the curriculum requires pupils to learn about different faiths, but there’s usually a distinction between how the others are taught to how Christianity is taught. It can be subtle, though often it’s not, but other religions are generally taught as ‘Muslims believe’, ‘Hindus celebrate in this way’ whereas Christianity is often presented as if it’s just true, or the norm.

As I say, it can be subtle but not always.

I have no issue with my daughter being in a church or knowing the meaning of Christmas from a Christian perspective. In fact we attend at least one church service over Christmas with her - this is for the sake of a family member who stays with us but also because DD enjoys it and I think it’s a nice tradition. Some people will think that terrible as we’re not true believers/ regular church goers but we’re certainly not on our own there and I’m ok with it. I still think her school’s job is to present Christianity as one faith among many, and not necessarily the norm/ the only truth.

I accompanied her class on their trip to the church recently and the Vicar was very nice, but absolutely spoke to the children as if what he was saying was categorically true. He’s also a governor at school and goes in to do assemblies at which the children say prayers and sing religious songs (all a bit newfangled so I’m not sure they qualify as hymns!) This is not a church school. Other religious leaders and parents of other faiths do also go into school which is great, but they are the ones that talk about what ‘we believe’ or they’ll tell the story of eg Diwali very much as a story.

During this church visit the children were taught one of the ‘child friendly’ Christian songs that apparently the vicar is going to be using in his assemblies going forward. The main message of the song, explicitly stated repeatedly in the lyrics, is ‘so I won’t trust in myself I’ll just believe in God instead’. I think that’s an appalling message and a massive overstep to be teaching children that (the majority of whom are not Christian). It’s been on my mind to write to school about it, but I too have a horror of being ‘that parent’.

I can absolutely see where the OP is coming from.

Also, every school I’ve been in, if they had the blanket consent thing, would still inform parents about any upcoming visit that meant leaving school grounds. I’m surprised that there’s some that don’t. Usually they need helpers, as the church above. But otherwise it’s just good communication - which schools are also required to demonstrate.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 10/12/2025 08:02

So @DillyDallyingAllDaythe lesson plan is ‘fine’ but you object to the school being gifted a bible? And children being taught the Christian meaning of Christmas because you only want them to know about lights, Christmas tress and presents? Riiiight
You don’t want them to understand the stories, myths and traditions that have shaped our culture?
Or how different religions approach particular festivals?

Out of curiosity does your school do a nativity? If so, did you object to that?

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 10/12/2025 08:09

DillyDallyingAllDay · 10/12/2025 07:42

I think just because some parents don’t care or mind what their child is taught in school or part of the school curriculum doesn’t mean all parents are willing to believe schools are a higher authority and can’t be held the account for the choices they make for the children. I personally believe that the huge increase in trans identifying children is a result of well meaning teachers not considering the wider impact of resources created by organisations such as stonewall. Organisations that were initially seen as perfectly fine and innocent and turned out to have massive agendas that have actually harmed women’s rights. I’m not saying that a minor RE trip is the same, but the school not being open or clear about the trip taking place sets a dangerous precedent.

Nah, I’m as gender critical as they come and this analogy just doesn’t work.
You live in a Christian country. Your child is learning about Christmas at Christmas - one of the most important Christian festivals in the Christian calendar.
Christmas is culturally important in the UK and understand the meaning and it’s traditions and how’s it’s evolved is important.
You’ve seen the lesson plan, you’ve said it’s fine. So what is the issue.

DillyDallyingAllDay · 10/12/2025 08:10

AliasGrape · 10/12/2025 08:02

I taught for many years in primary schools, and because I had caring responsibilities for a few of them, spent several as a supply teacher so I saw a lot of schools.

I can totally see the OP’s point and I think those who don’t are being a little obtuse.

Yes the curriculum requires pupils to learn about different faiths, but there’s usually a distinction between how the others are taught to how Christianity is taught. It can be subtle, though often it’s not, but other religions are generally taught as ‘Muslims believe’, ‘Hindus celebrate in this way’ whereas Christianity is often presented as if it’s just true, or the norm.

As I say, it can be subtle but not always.

I have no issue with my daughter being in a church or knowing the meaning of Christmas from a Christian perspective. In fact we attend at least one church service over Christmas with her - this is for the sake of a family member who stays with us but also because DD enjoys it and I think it’s a nice tradition. Some people will think that terrible as we’re not true believers/ regular church goers but we’re certainly not on our own there and I’m ok with it. I still think her school’s job is to present Christianity as one faith among many, and not necessarily the norm/ the only truth.

I accompanied her class on their trip to the church recently and the Vicar was very nice, but absolutely spoke to the children as if what he was saying was categorically true. He’s also a governor at school and goes in to do assemblies at which the children say prayers and sing religious songs (all a bit newfangled so I’m not sure they qualify as hymns!) This is not a church school. Other religious leaders and parents of other faiths do also go into school which is great, but they are the ones that talk about what ‘we believe’ or they’ll tell the story of eg Diwali very much as a story.

During this church visit the children were taught one of the ‘child friendly’ Christian songs that apparently the vicar is going to be using in his assemblies going forward. The main message of the song, explicitly stated repeatedly in the lyrics, is ‘so I won’t trust in myself I’ll just believe in God instead’. I think that’s an appalling message and a massive overstep to be teaching children that (the majority of whom are not Christian). It’s been on my mind to write to school about it, but I too have a horror of being ‘that parent’.

I can absolutely see where the OP is coming from.

Also, every school I’ve been in, if they had the blanket consent thing, would still inform parents about any upcoming visit that meant leaving school grounds. I’m surprised that there’s some that don’t. Usually they need helpers, as the church above. But otherwise it’s just good communication - which schools are also required to demonstrate.

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This. All the way this. Please do let the school know that you don’t think the song is appropriate.

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Alwaystired23 · 10/12/2025 08:10

I think I signed something similar when dc were in primary. I think it was worded along the lines of it was somewhere local and within walking distance they could take them out, with something about making the most of the weather when it was good. It gave them a bit of flexibility.

sittingonabeach · 10/12/2025 08:19

As we are a Christian country all state schools (unless specific faith school) will have a Christian element. Church schools will have a greater element.

Loveapineapplepizzame · 10/12/2025 08:27

It’s quite normal. When DD was at school they would sometimes have a walk up to the church for various services or deliver Christmas cards to the immediate school neighbours. Often it’s mentioned on a school calendar or newsletter what their plans are.

I usually found that I would sometimes get a separate letter for some day trips both local and further afield, confirming whether they would be taking a packed lunch or if school were providing.

MaybeMaybeNotJ · 10/12/2025 08:38

You can ask to see the educational visits policy which will show what area they can go within without further permission.

Octavia64 · 10/12/2025 09:14

So to clarify:

at first you objected to the trip on safeguarding grounds (that you didn’t know where your year5/year 6 child would be).

when it became apparent that this was absolutely ridiculous you then objected on the grounds school should have told you.

posters then made clear that it is totally normal practice for blanket consents to be signed for walking around the local area and going to external places (church, gurdwara, mosque) for visits.

you then changed the focus imif your objection to be that it was a church that they visited.

posters then pointed out that it is completely standard for RE visits to take place to all types of places of worship - I personally live in Cambridge and there is an amazing mosque there that most primaries and secondaries go to.

then you objected in the grounds that it was an act of worship and getting involved in the faith rather than an educational experience.

i found the lesson plan which is explicitly in the resources for schools section and is clearly not an act of worship in any sense of the words.

now you are objecting to the idea that a lesson plan about one of the major festivals of Christianity explains the Christian perspective on it.

what next, you object to the teachers explaining the Muslim perspective on Eid or the Jewish roots of the Passover?

DillyDallyingAllDay · 10/12/2025 13:56

Octavia64 · 10/12/2025 09:14

So to clarify:

at first you objected to the trip on safeguarding grounds (that you didn’t know where your year5/year 6 child would be).

when it became apparent that this was absolutely ridiculous you then objected on the grounds school should have told you.

posters then made clear that it is totally normal practice for blanket consents to be signed for walking around the local area and going to external places (church, gurdwara, mosque) for visits.

you then changed the focus imif your objection to be that it was a church that they visited.

posters then pointed out that it is completely standard for RE visits to take place to all types of places of worship - I personally live in Cambridge and there is an amazing mosque there that most primaries and secondaries go to.

then you objected in the grounds that it was an act of worship and getting involved in the faith rather than an educational experience.

i found the lesson plan which is explicitly in the resources for schools section and is clearly not an act of worship in any sense of the words.

now you are objecting to the idea that a lesson plan about one of the major festivals of Christianity explains the Christian perspective on it.

what next, you object to the teachers explaining the Muslim perspective on Eid or the Jewish roots of the Passover?

I don’t understand why the school didn’t make us aware it was happening? As a number of PP have pointed out this isn’t a massively odd expectation; just as many have said it’s perfectly normal. It was a 3 hour morning out; and every other ‘trip’ for every other year group has been clearly stated in newsletters. So it is something that I feel I’m within my rights to take up with the school.

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helpfulperson · 10/12/2025 13:59

DillyDallyingAllDay · 10/12/2025 13:56

I don’t understand why the school didn’t make us aware it was happening? As a number of PP have pointed out this isn’t a massively odd expectation; just as many have said it’s perfectly normal. It was a 3 hour morning out; and every other ‘trip’ for every other year group has been clearly stated in newsletters. So it is something that I feel I’m within my rights to take up with the school.

Do they make you aware of the contents of all other curriculum activities in advance?

Needmorelego · 10/12/2025 14:00

DillyDallyingAllDay · 10/12/2025 13:56

I don’t understand why the school didn’t make us aware it was happening? As a number of PP have pointed out this isn’t a massively odd expectation; just as many have said it’s perfectly normal. It was a 3 hour morning out; and every other ‘trip’ for every other year group has been clearly stated in newsletters. So it is something that I feel I’m within my rights to take up with the school.

I originally thought you were overreacting about this but having read your updates this does seem more than a trip to the local church to learn about the church as part of a RE lesson.
This was a very specific event to "advertise" Christianity by the sounds of it.
In this case I agree they should have told parents in advance and had the opt out option.

Gofaster2023 · 10/12/2025 14:16

Years ago I had to do a course on risk assessments as I was going to be the lead on a residential trip (outside city limits). If its within somewhere that you can walk to, and something that isn't outwith the realms of normal day to day behaviour, and is within school hours, you don't need specific permission. So a walk to the local park to photograph wildflowers is fine. But a walk to the local park to kayak on the pond would require permission. A trip locally where they will be back by 3 is fine but a trip locally where they won't be back till half 4 requires a different type of risk assessment and therefore permission.

MaplePumpkin · 10/12/2025 14:34

DillyDallyingAllDay · 10/12/2025 13:56

I don’t understand why the school didn’t make us aware it was happening? As a number of PP have pointed out this isn’t a massively odd expectation; just as many have said it’s perfectly normal. It was a 3 hour morning out; and every other ‘trip’ for every other year group has been clearly stated in newsletters. So it is something that I feel I’m within my rights to take up with the school.

I don’t understand why the school didn’t make us aware it was happening?

In your first post, you said the school makes you sign a blanket consent form for all walkable trips through the year. So why do you think this particular trip doesn’t come under that? I take it you didn’t query at the time of signing, what kind of trips it would entail?

CraftyGin · 10/12/2025 14:57

It's good for children to be informed that there is more to Christmas than Santa, elves and what they can get.

IdaGlossop · 10/12/2025 15:15

On your point about school not making you aware the trip was happening, a few possibilities:

  • the website frames the event as 'learning about the meaning of Christmas', not 'trying to convert children to Christianity' so taken at face value, there is no duty for the school to tell parents
  • if the trip has happened in preceeding years with no parental complaints, the school would have no reason to believe this year would be any different
  • in the rush, stress and happy chaos of the end if term, the school has slipped up and should have communicated
  • the school does in fact want to trick parents, knows the trip may be controversial, and decides not to communicate with parents because it doesn't have the energy to deal with the fallout.

I think that as parents we can forget two things. First, that children don't hear what we do. Even if your DC was told 'Jesus loves all children. If you don't believe in Him and come to church every Sunday, you will not live for ever', those words would probably not lead to nightmares about premature death. Second, we can modify and/or correct what children tell us they have been told. In this example, you would say 'Some families believe in God and go to church every Sunday. We do not believe in God or go to church as a family but when you are grown up, you may decide that you do.'

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