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My child being placed with immediate effect on Reduced Timetable (Reception)

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breakingdads · 07/03/2023 15:01

Hi,

Would like anyone who has experience with primary / reception education to help if possible. My child is in reception (he is the youngest in the year - in fact, born 2 days later would probably be starting this coming September). He has been in nursery and pre-school care full time since 2 without any problems, in fact glowing reports which eased my worries of him entering reception this past September. However in the last 3 months, apparantly, he has started to have some problems in class, with concentration, being tired, territorial etc which have resulted in some aggressive acts - hitting out. I have had this flagged up twice, but the school have said they have been able to deal with it. However last week, we got a call to say that he had injured a teacher and for this reason, he will be put on a reduced timetable with immediate effect. Obviously this has had a major impact on how we manage things with him not being in class at all now 5 mornings a week. Since it has happened I have found out that the incident seemed more accidental than premeditated (he had fallen asleep and the teacher had woke him up, which startled him and he jumped off the chair indavertently onto her hand which was on the floor). Now in the conversations I initially had, I was in absolute shock as I was being told "my child had broken a staff members arm) so was apologising profusely, to the point that I was just agreeing to everything they said. However as the matters sinks in, I am starting to wonder if the way they have acted is a)lawful b)ethical and c) in the best interest of my child. At this point in time, I have had no written information about his behaviour in class which has resulted in this reduced timetable, I have had no information on what they plan to do going forward, no plan etc I have signed nothing saying that my child can go to a reduced timetable. Literally just been told he can't come in anymore in the mornings - deal with it. I've just accepted things and muddled my way through this week. Obviously a solution could be that we have to continue with the reduced timetable and look at deferring him till this coming September. However all feedback received from the reception teacher is that he is managing his school work well, its just that he is not coping emotionally with the reception class. I've been told that with a class of 30 he can't expect to get any personal treatment, but the more I am reading about this - it seems there is an obligation for the school to look at every possible way of keeping a child in class and integrating them which doesn't seem to have happened. His behaviour with me is absolutely spot on so I am also trying to work out what is triggering his so called behaviour in class ( which again seems to be unrecorded and anecdotal at best ). If anyone has any constructive advice it would be much appreciated, as I feel I have agreed to something under "the fog" of being made to feel guilty on something that myself and child shouldnt really have been made to feel guilty of. Muddling through this week, but very difficult when full time working at the same time. My child hasn't got a clue what is happening, just keeps on asking when they can go back into school. Thanks again.

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getalifesonny · 07/03/2023 22:01

1- Was he going full time in nursery? are the long hours new experience which are making him tired?
1- Was he falling asleep in nursery as well or has it just started in reception? Is he tired when you pick him up
3- All behaviour aside, do speak to GP and get his blood tests done to rule out any deficiencies.

RafaistheKingofClay · 07/03/2023 22:07

NewNovember · 07/03/2023 20:59

That's not actually true it's CSA term after 5th birthday not reception age.

That’s the point in which the law says they have to be in school unless receiving education other wise. However children have a legal right to a full time education from the start of the September term after their 4th birthday.

If the OP wants her child in school full time, then the school are going to have to fill out the exclusion paperwork rather than trying to pretend it’s an agreed reduced timetable. They are likely to back down if challenged because they aren’t going to want to explain why they seem to have jumped from 0 to illegal exclusion without putting any sort of behaviour support plan or support in place. That won’t be easy to explain to Ofsted.

Weallhaveavoice · 07/03/2023 22:08

NewNovember · 07/03/2023 20:59

That's not actually true it's CSA term after 5th birthday not reception age.

Ok. I stand corrected. Hopefully OP you haven’t taken my word for it.
Things must have changed since my kids went.

mightyducks · 07/03/2023 22:09

Is it an LA school or an academy? If LA I would be calling to speak to the Director of Education tomorrow and asking what the LA policy is an asking for a meeting , Academies However can be a bit of a law unto themselves I’m afraid

RafaistheKingofClay · 07/03/2023 22:10

It’s not uncommon for kids to fall asleep in reception. It’s tiring for them. That’s what the cushions in the book corner are for Wink

Dinosaurus123 · 07/03/2023 22:15

I haven't read all the replies but wanted to say, my 2 boys were on and off reduced timetables and it always had to be agreed by me they can't force a reduced timetable but they can do a fixed exclusion which needs to be in writing and state exactly how many days (my boys have had multiple exclusions so i know this) ask for a copy of the incident report (I bet there isn't one) you are well within your right to have a copy of any reports written about your son, if it isn't written down..it didn't happen! Speak to SENDIASS or the local education department for advice. Don't let the school push you around, also reception kids do fall asleep it isn't that unusual x

Fireflies23 · 07/03/2023 22:23

Personally I would pull him out and start reception again in September. If he isn’t ready now another 6 months maybe different. Choose another school though. Have you asked the school if they have concerns around special needs? If so they should be referring him to the community paediatrician. He could be finding school overwhelming. Would a smaller village type school help?

Dinosaurus123 · 07/03/2023 22:27

Also just like to add there was always a written plan and meetings on getting them back into full time school, it was never indefinite x

Nedmund · 07/03/2023 22:54

I'm wondering if this is the same school my friend's child is in. The had issues no end, sounds identical and all started in reception after being at nursery, playgroups, etc. all fine. Yes, there are other factors but the school were terrible and not very transparent.

Cheswick · 07/03/2023 23:04

Hi OP. We had similar experience with our DS, he also has birthday in Aug. He was labeled as "difficult" at reception and year 1. The root cause, as we found later, was a personality clash with a teaching assistant. DS was reported "straggling emotionally" for 2 years intil one day our childminder spotted the mention teaching assistant forcefully pushing him to the ground and reported it the Head immediately. SENTASS was involved, the teaching assistant took a stress related leave (surprise surprise), my DS had a new teaching assistant who was absolutely brilliant and all problems were gone momentarily. If I could "rewrite" the past I would trust my child more and would move him to another school. Good luck!

margegunderson · 08/03/2023 00:42

I'm not sure how you'd get him a place to start in September as the reception applications are already in the system. Also I don't think you can restart him in reception. Asking more questions as suggested upthread is definitely the way to go - I'm not sure you've yet got clear what the school thinks the problem is or how they are really hoping to proceed. Good luck!

mathanxiety · 08/03/2023 01:31

Poor little fellow.

Would some more time in a preschool or nursery setting benefit him, do you think?

Or some setting that allows children to move around freely and takes normal child development into account anyway, which the school seems to be either ignorant of or ignoring.

breakingdads · 08/03/2023 12:17

Hi,

Thank you for all the positive contributions made on this thread. Overnight I have managed to crib them all into a bit of a summary which I am taking to my meet up with the Head Teacher which hopefully is happening tomorrow. If anyone has any things they can add or think of any extra things I should have on the document please add. The document and process is more about whether the school has behaved properly, rather than the debate about whether my son should be held back / deferred etc - as it might be the case that managing his early years education will mean this. Also if anyone finds themselves in the same boat, hopefully they will find this useful. Wish me luck!!

Guidance Notes – From Thread.

Speak to Head Teacher asap. If possible have SENCO involved and / or Class Teacher. Clarification is key.
They need to explain or provide documentation on:
School policies on Exclusion / Behaviour – should really be found on School Website – in my case not. Legally they should be easily accessible.
The reason for reduced timetable, how it will work, how long it will last for and a plan for reintegration. Reduced timetables are a short term method and should be regularly reviewed with 6 weeks being a recommended maximum period. They need a clear and evidenced rationale for the reduced hours, aimed at supporting your child.
The school must have signed parental permission evidenced on the school file prior to the commencement of a reduced timetable.
The school should have completed a detailed action plan, agreed with you, demonstrating a clear pathway to full integration in no more than 6 weeks.
Ask what triggers have caused any behaviour issues in school, what measures have they previously undertaken to resolve these issues and ask why they don’t think those measures have worked.
Ask “If my child has been identified as not coping in the classroom setting, what is being put in place (and the next bit are the key words) that are additional to and different from other students?”
Have the school made an application for an EHCP
Complete a Subject Access Request to get everything they have with his name to it. There should be a paper trail of behaviour and any incidents that have lead to the decision of a reduced timetable.
Have they done a “cause for concern” referral form to the Senco.
Did they complete a child safeguarding checklist before implementing the reduced timetable?
A formal risk assessment of the impact that a reduced timetable would have on your child must be carried out and agreed.
Have they contacted the LA, a child cannot be put on a reduced timetable unless paperwork / action plan has been submitted to the LA along with the written consent from the parent/guardian. Evidence should have been submitted too. If after 6 weeks the plan has not been successful an emergency annual review will normally be held.
The school should also have been in contact with the LA to explain the lack of attendance – has this happened?
Why has the reduced timetable been “designed” in this way – ie no mornings, which essentially is the time when the child is doing important school work, phonics, maths etc.
If not satisfied with Head Teachers answers from the meeting ask for a meeting with School / Chair of Governors.

Notes on Being Under the Age of 5 and the law

School admission code (section 24 of the School Standards and Framework Act 1998) states that a child is entitled to a full time place in the September following their 4th Birthday.
Children are entitled to attend school full time from the September following their 4th Birthday. Parents can choose to send them part time or not all until they are CSA, but that is the parents choice alone. Not the schools. If the school’s offer was a full time place in the September after the 4th Birthday then the child is entitled to access that full time place. They can’t be treated less favourably because of their individual needs.
If the school treat your child unfavourably to his peers this is unlawful

Part Time Timetables / Reduced Hours Timetables Notes

Statutory exclusion guidance covers part time timetables – it states “A part-time timetable should not be used to manage a pupil’s behaviour”
Informal or unofficial exclusions, such as sending pupils home to “cool off” are unlawful regardless of whether they occur with the agreement of parents or carers.
It your child is being put on reduced hours for Special Educational needs this is discriminatory and unlawful. The school have to look at putting more or different support in place instead. This should be documented.
Unlawful exclusions also include exclusions where the school has failed to follow statutory guidance without good reason or has refused to educate a child unless particular conditions are met.
Schools must take account of their statutory duties in relation to SEN, including early intervention to address the underlying causes of disruptive behaviour and multi-agency assessments to pick up on unidentified SEN, mental health or family problems.
Note to above: Office of Children’s commissioners inquiry concluded that “no evidence supports excluding very young children, even in extreme circumstances”. For these children, extremely disruptive or even violent behaviour is often a symptom of SEN, a family difficulty, or a more complicated developmental issue and additional support should be made available “within the school setting”.
Unlawful Exclusion: A part-time/reduced timetable that does not have clearly defined objectives, a specified end date, a review process, and/or the consent of the parents/carers may be considered unlawful exclusion by Ofsted.

Speak to following people / groups if possible:

Local SENDIASS team
Local Authority
SEN advocacy group
Local IASS group
IPSEA
SOSSEN

Doctor – run a routine health check on child to rule in/out any health issues that may be contributing to their behaviour.
Reception and Deferral Notes
There are plenty of examples of children re-doing reception years – and one poster suggested that the child then didn’t have to catch up later down the line.

Conclusion

Never feel pressured into accepting actions by schools for fear of being “that parent”. You have to hold the school to standard and don’t be afraid of pushing back if you don’t agree.
It doesn’t come easy to many of us, hence why we just accept things – but from reading the comments on here, it is important that you hold your ground, seek clarification and get yourself clued up. Many thanks to everyones comments/advice I have put in this document. Very much appreciated.

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FloatingBean · 08/03/2023 12:47

Part time timetables should not be used to manage behaviour, whether parents agree or not.

You would know if an EHCNA request has been submitted, therefore don’t ask if one has. Inform the school you will be requesting one. IPSEA have a model letter you can use.

Targetbag · 08/03/2023 13:04

Good luck with your meeting.

Have they contacted the LA, a child cannot be put on a reduced timetable unless paperwork / action plan has been submitted to the LA along with the written consent from the parent/guardian. Evidence should have been submitted too. If after 6 weeks the plan has not been successful an emergency annual review will normally be held.

This above relates to a child with an EHCP so won’t be relevant in your case.

kirinm · 08/03/2023 13:25

Hope the meeting goes well OP. My august born started reception in September last year and I would be gutted if the school tried to do this.

breakingdads · 08/03/2023 13:31

Just found out that the school is due an Ofsted inspection sometime this year as the last one was in 2019. Not sure if paranoia is creeping in, but I did read a comment about unofficial exclusions, and how some schools have put difficult children on reduced timetables to get them out of the way during inspection. Surely this doesnt happen, does it??

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Shinyandnew1 · 08/03/2023 13:46

breakingdads · 08/03/2023 13:31

Just found out that the school is due an Ofsted inspection sometime this year as the last one was in 2019. Not sure if paranoia is creeping in, but I did read a comment about unofficial exclusions, and how some schools have put difficult children on reduced timetables to get them out of the way during inspection. Surely this doesnt happen, does it??

Schools with their last Ofsted in 2016 and 2017 are still waiting (along with all of the ones that have been Outstanding for 10+ years) so I can’t imagine they are more imminent than hundreds of others and it could still be some years away. Ofsted are in for full days so having pupils in afternoons only won’t make any difference to what they are. To be honest, Ofsted are MORE likely to start investigating anyone on a reduced timetable.

Good luck with tomorrow’s meeting

Chichz · 08/03/2023 19:48

Good luck with the meeting OP, I have read most of the thread and hope things work out for you. My little boy is August-born and will be going through full-time school nursery/reception, as it stands, as I work in schools too. You sound like a great dad! Will be really interesting to hear what they come up with...

snowtrees · 08/03/2023 23:41

He's 4. Loads of reception kids nap in class. Others last but are in bed by 6pm

kirinm · 09/03/2023 09:19

How on earth is a 4 year old capable of breaking someone's arm? This has totally confused me - unless he's deliberately fallen on her or something like that (which my 4 year old does all the time and hasn't broken any bones).

Good luck today OP.

CatkinToadflax · 09/03/2023 10:38

I feel for you OP. This treatment of your son sounds quite similar to how my DS1 was treated in Reception at his first primary school. The slight difference is that he had been under paediatrics/Children's Services since birth due to extreme prematurity and associated disabilities, so he already had an EHCP and a 1:1 TA when he started school. In spite of this support they insisted on a reduced timetable; his Reception teacher used to pick on him and criticise him constantly; and on one occasion he was accused of kicking his 1:1. It turned out that he hadn't kicked her - his 1:1 wasn't even aware that he'd been accused or that I was hauled into school to be shouted at - the deputy head thought she saw him kicking the 1:1 "and I know what I saw".

In the end we moved schools.

I do hope you can get things sorted OP. Flowers

ChaoticCrumble · 09/03/2023 19:00

Any news @breakingdads

breakingdads · 09/03/2023 19:48

Hi guys, I got back this afternoon after what turned out to be a 1hr 30min meeting. I am still trying processing what has been said, and I have made plenty of notes and have recorded the meeting too - so will play back once I have had some tea! In a brief summary (obviously much more was talked about)

  • lots of apologies for the lack of documentation - process and protocols - pretty much everything! We still do not have any documentation re: the reduced timetable, any info on his behaviour etc - and this is a week on.
  • lots of apologies re: how the reduced timetable has been introduced (however they do still believe it is still the best option for everyone).
  • lots of mentions of lack of resources, finances and "how the system is broke unfortunately". To the point I was left thinking is the reason why we have got to this point.

I have raised pretty much every point and question raised in the thread and the Head has agreed to get back to me on these points - and action the points of serious concern.

Not entirely sure they were aware of the full legals on the situation, and much of the answers to my questions got funnelled towards lack of resource - or what is supposedly in the best interest of him.

I have agreed to nothing today and have asked for the weekend to digest what has been discussed. As you can imagine, in an hour and half meeting lots got discussed.

Obviously my little boys happiness and personal development is the most important thing to me, but at the same time I want to know that the system is working for him - and I'm not sure if I got that answer today.

As of tonight I have made no decision on whether to sign off on the reduced timetable (which still hasn't been formalised) even though its been in operation all week. I did say that the choice in the end is ours and ours alone, and she seemed to nod to that.

Lots of difficult decisions ahead, but hopefully will have some time over the coming days to digest and get back to them. They seem open to dialogue.

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FloatingBean · 09/03/2023 20:04

Send a summary of the meeting in an email so you have a paper trail.

The system is broken, but they must still act lawfully and follow due process.
If they need more funding to meet DS’s they can apply for high needs top up funding. And you should apply for an EHCNA.

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