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Positively surprised about ds school experience in the UK

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Rhombus79 · 03/03/2023 14:56

I am curious to know how others who grew up in another country are finding the British education system.

Ds is in Year 1 at the moment and I am quite surprised how much moaning there is on the parents' WhatsApp group about the teachers, about the curriculum, about the amount of homework, etc. I find it hard to relate to be honest.

To be fair, I can only compare it to my own school experiences growing up in East Germany, where school was quite strict and expectations high. I spent many a Sunday evening crying because I was worried not to be able to keep up.

But I feel ds is getting a very rounded education with lots of rewards to keep him motivated. The teachers and teaching assistants are lovely and very approachable and ds likes them a lot. The school is even offering little workshops for the parents to learn about how they teach phonics or timetables. So far, I have a very happy 6 year old who loves going to school and who made huge strides since starting reception. That might just be our experience and others have some serious gripes with the system as it is. I just feel that a lot of parents at my ds school are undervaluing all the hard work that goes into educating their children and nothing is ever good enough.

What do you think?

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themonkeysnuts · 13/03/2023 17:14

thats so nice to hear (schools do differ tho)
I get so fed up with posters saying about schools abroad that they dont do 'formal' education till age7 or our schools are too regimented in their learning styles, or our kids are pushed into education too young

Qbish · 13/03/2023 17:18

ZeldaB · 03/03/2023 16:04

Well I’m glad to hear that 21st century Britain is an improvement on 20th century East Germany.

What a snippy reply. The current German system is very divisionary, as the OP notes.

user1477391263 · 14/03/2023 00:08

I am overseas and have to teach English at home to my child, as she has gone to elementary school in a different language. I know a lot of other English speakers who doing the same while referring to their own countries’ curricula, so you do get a feel for what England’s schools are like in a comparative sense.

England schools (I don’t want to say UK, as Scotland, Wales and NI are quite different) have a reputation for being pushy in the early stages, but all in all I think they do a fairly sound job. They do quite well in international assessments like TIMSS, PIRLS and PISA, and the scores attained thereof have been rising slowly over the past 20 years. It’s noticeable that private education has become a niche thing, for those who are rich enough not to care about the expense. Most people I know, including those who had private education themselves in the 80s etc., now use good state schools and tutor as necessary. State schools have improved.

I would not defend everything Gove set in motion and I know he’s not popular among teachers. But he did get a lot of things right, IMO, especially pushing a more academic and accountable approach to the curriculum and kind of tightening up on a lot of stuff, which has continued after his period in office. Education involves lots of hard work; you aren’t going to get good results unless kids work hard, including the bits that are not “fun.” Things like the phonics screening and timed times tables tests were very unpopular in many quarters when they came in, but I think they have done the job.

Phonics teaching in England is FAR better than in other Anglophone countries. The British parents I know (Scottish as well as English!) in the country where I live, all use Jolly Phonics and similar schemes and they’re just great. The American, NZ etc. parents are using their own countries’ program that are still stuck in the dark ages - making their kids sing the alphabet song and do “letter of the week” and write in ALL CAPS - it takes them ages to learn to read and some just fail altogether. I’d like England’s schools to feel proud of the huge difference that this excellence in phonics has made. It’s hard to notice the difference unless you are comparing internationally. It’s almost certainly a huge reason why England has steadily improved in its international test comparisons; everything you do in school is so utterly downstream of being able to read properly!

One thing which I think is not ideal about UK schools (not just England) is the lack of textbooks and workbooks. I do feel that educational performance would be still better if textbooks and workbooks were used and came home each day; it creates a systematic curriculum, reduces workload and makes it easier for parents to actively support their child, not to mention making it easier for kids to be independent in their learning; they can revise and read ahead in their textbooks. We use the Galore Park textbooks for our own studies and our own Saturday school; they are great. CGP are not bad too, but feel more like “revision guides” and are a bit lacking in depth.

Related to this, one criticism I have of the UK (again, not just England) is the tendency to infantilize parents and expect very little of them (which in turn means you get very little of them). In the country where I live, you’re expected to support your child actively at home, cover any work missed if you take a day off, make your child do some summer homework, and even do a lot of the marking (they provide answer keys!).

One final thing that is not great is the grammar overemphasis. I have a degree in English and had to look up half the stuff my nieces were doing for SATs. A bit of grammar is essential if you want to learn how to write good academic English, but the SATs sound like someone picked up an old fashioned grammar book from the shelf, dusted it off and dumped the entire book into the curriculum. Meanwhile, the kids could do with a shitload more history teaching. If I were designing the curriculum, I’d greatly increase the amount of time spent on science, history and geography, but study these subjects in ways that involve loads of reading and writing (two birds, one stone), and cut out a lot of “English/literacy” time (especially the grammar stuff) to make room for this. That kind of “learn how to write proper English THROUGH studying history, geography and science in ways that involve doing lots of reading and writing” is pretty much what I do with my own kids, as I need efficient methods that save time.

H34th · 20/03/2023 18:44

It's all really good until it isn't. And you feel like you're going in circles because you're undermined and labelled as moaner, while your child suffers the consequences.

BendingSpoons · 21/03/2023 07:21

@user1477391263 your post is very interesting. On your point about low expectations of parents, there is unfortunately a culture amongst some parents that it's the school's job to teach, and they shouldn't have to do anything. There are others who don't have the capability, whether that is due to a language barrier, parental education level, overwhelmed by life etc.

IMO the response to that by schools is partly not to do things that exclude children who don't have support at home. Some parents won't read with their child at home, so no way will they catch up missed learning. If that is the expectation, then the vulnerable kids fall further behind. Possibly other countries have different societial views on this (which is good!) but there must still be a vulnerable cohort struggling. Although arguably if it is a small number, the school could support more easily.

BendingSpoons · 21/03/2023 07:21

H34th · 20/03/2023 18:44

It's all really good until it isn't. And you feel like you're going in circles because you're undermined and labelled as moaner, while your child suffers the consequences.

Sorry to hear things aren't going well for your DC.

Abcdefgh1234 · 21/03/2023 07:45

Oh God! Yes! I agree!!! They moaned and moaned. I’m grew up in southeast asia. My school far more strict than school here, but i never hear my parents moaned. In fact my mother always agree with my teachers.

I live in london and to be honest the state school in my area are pretty rubbish and lots of council house kids too. i sent my kids to state school until they were year 3 and i move them to private school. Private school is stricter and lots of homework but no one parents moaned, or think its too strict not like parents in state school. So i think maybe because parents in private school are having high demanding and more pressure in their career more than parents in state school. I’m sorry if i sound snob but many of my ‘mum friends’ when my kids in state school are aiming very low on their DC career future, lots of them even think university its not important and why want to study long time if you can work straight after secondary and earns money. I’m not saying all of then like that but some of them. On the other hand on private school the parents are preparing their children to go to oxford or cambridge.

greenteafiend · 21/03/2023 07:54

Abcdefgh1234 · 21/03/2023 07:45

Oh God! Yes! I agree!!! They moaned and moaned. I’m grew up in southeast asia. My school far more strict than school here, but i never hear my parents moaned. In fact my mother always agree with my teachers.

I live in london and to be honest the state school in my area are pretty rubbish and lots of council house kids too. i sent my kids to state school until they were year 3 and i move them to private school. Private school is stricter and lots of homework but no one parents moaned, or think its too strict not like parents in state school. So i think maybe because parents in private school are having high demanding and more pressure in their career more than parents in state school. I’m sorry if i sound snob but many of my ‘mum friends’ when my kids in state school are aiming very low on their DC career future, lots of them even think university its not important and why want to study long time if you can work straight after secondary and earns money. I’m not saying all of then like that but some of them. On the other hand on private school the parents are preparing their children to go to oxford or cambridge.

In my experience, the division is not "state" vs "private" but "bad state schools" vs "good state schools and private."

The people I know, nearly all very middle class, mostly send their children to state schools that are considered good. They may use some tutoring as their kids get older. A few send their kids to private schools (not many as it is insanely expensive these days). In terms of GCSEs, A levels and university destinations, there doesn't really seem to be any difference between the two groups of kids.

PutYourBackIntoit · 21/03/2023 08:15

Lovely to read a positive post!

A couple of points

I wasn't aware of the schooling system in Germany but having worked for a German GMbH it makes total sense. The hierarchy and inflexibility of movement within roles is very visible, and quite baffling to a Brit.

There are (few and far between) some secondary schools who are embracing the IB middle years programme. I think schools on Kent have adopted the IB MYP for yrs 7-9, and then switch back to the national curriculum for GCSE yrs.
My experience of the IB MYP has been great so far, very rounded, interesting teaching and forces her to reflect more on the work she has done.

I agree Primary teaching here is generally child focused - ambitious yet supportive.

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