If a primary teacher was moved from year 6 to year 3, is that a demotion ?

[Lardlizard]

I thought the better teachers were kept for the start of school and the end
And the not so great ones in the middle ?

Primary school everywhere are rolling their eyes at this question.......because it’s easier to teach little kids isn’t it? Lol.

Also here’s for you over the rainbow because their biscuits not donoughts 🤦‍♀️ Also here’s another 🤦‍♀️ For thinking you can sensor what people can say with your “donought emojis aren’t needed” people can post what they like! If they want to give a face palm or a biscuit they can!

OP and @Notashandyta oh my word. Your ignorance is astounding.

Primary school everywhere are rolling their eyes at this question.......because it’s easier to teach little kids isn’t it? Lol

Yeah totally, during lockdown I was so jealous of my friends with lots of little kids because trying to work and fix occasional IT glitches for the teens was way more boring than I imagine trying to work and persuade a ks1/2 child to read/ do maths would have been. In fact I don't know why they opened the schools at all because all those parents were having such fun and it was so easy teaching little children.

@NaughtToThreeSadOnions

Thank you, learnt something new today, I always thought they were used to call others a doughnut.

Am I being really thick, or is it too early, but why would someone send a biscuit?!

And you want to come in with a further kicking about pay.
I didn’t start the idea of more pay, it was asked and suggested and as posted said above, I’m entitled to post what I like. Where I am you can negotiate moving up the pay scale and if I taught solely exam classes that would be mentioned.

No. More likely the teacher was bored of teaching the year six curriculum so asked to have a different year group as a change.

[quote OverTheRainbow88]@NaughtToThreeSadOnions

Thank you, learnt something new today, I always thought they were used to call others a doughnut.

Am I being really thick, or is it too early, but why would someone send a biscuit?!

And you want to come in with a further kicking about pay.
I didn’t start the idea of more pay, it was asked and suggested and as posted said above, I’m entitled to post what I like. Where I am you can negotiate moving up the pay scale and if I taught solely exam classes that would be mentioned.[/quote]
I think once Gordon brown was on and someone asked what his favourite biscuit was... he wouldn't answer and now there's a biscuit emoji. Something like that.

Naughttothree, are you a teacher?

Theres what the school gate army thinks and then there’s reality.

Lots of reasons.

Some schools like stability some like changing staff round.

Some like to give staff varied experiences, some make changes because of the needs of particular groups of children coming through.

My daughter taught y6 for 2 years, now y5 as she’s picked up other responsibilities. She doesn’t consider it a demotion.

Teachers often move stage after years at one stage either because they want a different challenge, or because the school needs them too. Perhaps teacher would like to be promoted one day and wants varied experience?
Perhaps this yr 3 us particularly difficult and this teacher is knowing for coping with difficult classes well.

Whatever it is, it is definitely not a demotion.

@Lardlizard
the teacher is known for having favourites and is very full of themselves

You want it to be a demotion because you don’t like the teacher and your DC is not going to be one of her favourites and you wanted mumsnet to back you up.

Not a demotion - well it wouldn’t be in most schools.

A Year 6 teacher (who knows where the children need to be to access the curriculum at that level) moving to Year 3 where they are starting KS2 with that development ahead of them can be beneficial to the children. They know where the children need to be by end of Primary to be well prepared for Secondary and can foster high expectations in the children. They may have spotted trends and gaps such as a trend of poor spelling across a classes which can become difficult to fix by Year 6 and aim to change it this earlier in school. Teachers have different strengths and expertise and it is advantageous for these impacts to spread throughout school rather than in one year group.

Plus all the reasons everyone else said.

tyrant - erm I’ve literally saying this “ so in the school I used to TA in“ in this thread.

No not a teacher.

over the rainbow yes you are entitled to post what you like - just like everyone else is entitled to post what they like. I possianly wouldn’t have reacted the way I did if you hadn’t have posted that donought emojis weren’t necessary but I now see that was a slight miss understanding of a Mumsnet convention.

But you see I see what your saying as gaining the experience of teaching an exam class which is why you might be bumped up the pay scale not because oh it’s year six your naturally a better teacher than someone who’s teaching year three a non exam class. Which is what’s being implied here. And your pay then doesn’t alter if at a later date you chose to teach a less stressful non exam year. So in this case the persons asking if being moved to year three is a demotion and the mention of year 6 being payed more is going to lead to the assumption that, now their not teaching a exam year it’s a demotion and pay cut and that’s not true. They still has the experience of teaching an exam year or being a specialist teacher/subject leadership or whatever has caused them to negotiate their raise in pay scale.

So in the - tyrant’s posted an explanation so it sort of means er no comment, face palm, in the case it was more of a oh teacher bashing thread great. And tbf by the ops yes but the teacher is horriable so I want it to be a demotion reply it was people who thought that seem to be correct.

It’s more about the content of the thread than calling someone a donought I also now see why you thought it wasn’t needed. You thought people were personally insulting the op for a perfectly sort of logical assumption. Which I absolutely agree for a non teacher I can see why you might think that teaching year 6 is some how better, and it needs debunking, rather than just insulting someone.

But then in this case I still stand by that I’ve read it as a teacher bashing thread which is why people are giving biscuits and face palms.

I might agree that it might be better to explain why not rather than just giving emojis but if some one really does feel like it’s a thread designed to troll, stir be nasty for the sake of being nasty it’s a convention of giving them a biscuit

God I’ve realised how I’ve spelt possibly and probably a few other words - I am dyslexic and fat fingered so please forgive my typos

Most teachers who are put into year 6 spend the rest of their career trying to get out! It is very definitely a marmite year group, you either love it or hate it. It can be very unpopular, depending on the nature of the school, and Heads sometimes struggle to persuade staff to work there. The teacher may have asked for a change, the new year 6 teacher may have asked for UKS2 experience if it is missing from their CV, there are so many reasons why teachers move around-being "demoted" is never one of them!!

No... in my last school, we were rotated yearly.

There is probably someone else who has requested to move to Year 6 for career development.

That is so funny! I had no idea people thought like this Teachers move around all the time for so many reasons. It’s also not possible for teachers to be rated on an objective scale like that, we all have different strengths and weaknesses, there isn’t one simple scale for being a ‘good’ or ‘bad’ teacher.

No it doesn't work like that.

Just when I thought I'd heard it all.

It’s much better for career development not to be stuck in one year
Given how the last school year ended there are many reasons they could have been moved to Year 3 demotion is not one of them

@Lardlizard

This particular teacher has been year 6 for at least 7 years, so they are not often moved the reception teacher has been the reception teacher for over 10years, so it isn’t that, yes I thought reception, y2 and y6 were known as the most important This teacher is known for having favourites (which I can understand) But also for being very full of themselves !

Sound like you are gossiping about the teacher and you want her to be demoted.

Ive been asked this by many fairly bright people over the years. I’m always surprised that people think like this. Especially as I’m way down low in the school. I’ve taught across all year groups. I’ve always been paid depending on what part of the pay scale I was entitled to, not which year group. Our year 6 teachers couldn’t think of anything worse than teaching 4 year olds and find the constant full on demands from them exhausting. Give them a nice quiet year 6 who can sit and write in silence for an hour any day!

Sorry naught, I missed you saying you were a TA. I thought I'd read the whole thread but no!

Yes OP. Moving to Y3 from Y6 is a demotion. Coz 3 is less than 6 innit.