If a primary teacher was moved from year 6 to year 3, is that a demotion ?

[Lardlizard]

I thought the better teachers were kept for the start of school and the end
And the not so great ones in the middle ?

where i live all teachers are furloughed at the end of term and all must reapply for a job. all based on seniority. so the more senior you are the more likely you are to get your job choice. never guaranteed, and no postings are seen as a "demotion".

No one wants to teach Year 6

Fucks sake

My child who has a NQT in year 6 also had a NQT in year 3, then in year 4 had a job share.

Oh dear, in my years of teaching I've been from Y4 to Y6, to Y2, to Y3, to Reception, to Y5, to Y1, to Y3 and now to Y4 (usually more than a year in a row in each year group).

What does this say about me?!

My only experience is being a mum to 2 primary school kids

My eldest had the same teacher for p4 and p5 and even now halfway through high school he talks of her often and of the influence she’s had on his life and still inspires him

My youngest’s teachers in p3 and p6 were absolutely phenomenal. He has special needs and he progressed so much with them.

I’ve been the least impressed with their p7 teachers to be frank although they were still excellent.

Absolutely not! As people have said, it's the norm to swap teachers around in primary school. As the first year post infants, year 3 is very important.

Usually the best teachers are put in years 2 and 6

Rubbish

I hope year 3 isn’t that important as dd missed over a term of it.

@WalesAppearsToBeSlightlySaner

I hope year 3 isn’t that important as dd missed over a term of it.

If it was due to lockdown she won’t have been the only one - she’ll catch up I’m sure x

I'm going to go against the grain and say that I've heard in my school Y6 teachers get paid slightly more because of the fact its an exam year group and more stressful! No one really wants to be in Y6. Maybe that's why the OP means by demotion?

@growinggreyer

If a nurse is moved from paeds to geriatrics is that a promotion?

Perfect analogy!

I'm really surprised that people actually think this. I've had a similar move from Y6 to a lower year group and can't believe some parents might think I've been demoted! It's good professional development to have teaching experience across different year groups and if a teacher has been in the same year for 7 years then that's enough of a reason for them to move.

Moving between different year groups makes the job more varied, teaching different age groups with completely different needs. Teaching a wider range of topics from year to year makes the job much more interesting. Sometimes a person's qualities or expertise are required in a specific year group, regardless of which year group that is. Sometimes it's good to have certain members of staff working together (or not working together). There are so many reasons for teachers moving around.

This particular teacher has been year 6 for at least 7 years, so they are not often moved the reception teacher has been the reception teacher for over 10years, so it isn’t that. What are you not understanding that it’s ultimately up to the head?

Perhaps the needs of this year six are different to the last 7, Maybe the needs of this years year 3 is more in line with this teachers style so you could actually see it as a promotion, reception teacher, as was mentioned some teachers chose to specialise in early years, reception is EYS curriculum so maybe the head values Having a specialist in reception.

I thought Reception y2 and y6 were known as the most important

Oh because of the meaningless pressure SATS, sats are literally just for school league tables and are not important other than putting needless pressure on young children.

This teacher is known for having favourites (which I can understand) But also for being very full of themselves !

Somebody’s full of themselves - it’s not the teacher!

Y6 teachers get paid slightly more because of the fact its an exam year group and more stressful!

rubbish, you don’t get paid by what year you teach you get paid according to what pay scale your on! An NQT teaching year 6 gets paid the same as an NQT teaching year 4, an. Experienced deputy head teacher teaching year 1 gets paid the same as an experienced deputy head teaching year 6!

Teachers get moved to specifically work with difficult year groups if they are more experienced with dealing with managing behaviour. Teachers seem to get moved around every 3-4 years but generally within the same key stage groups.

Ah, so the on-site Pre-school is there as a threat to teachers to pull their socks up...

Jaw hits floor
I can just imagine dropping this into a staff meeting...

Definitely not the case in my school.

Maybe considering the context the yr5 teacher moved up with their old class so there was some continuity going into yr6 for children preparing for SATs if they happen

Maybe yr3 has some challenging children/ parents and the yr6 teacher was thought best to manage them.

Maybe the old yr3 teacher is wanting some staff development and fancied a change in preparation for applying for different jobs.

Oh perhaps the yr6 teacher is pregnant/ ill/ elderly parents and knows she might need to take extended leave and they don't want to disturb yr6 but don't care about yr3.

Why don't you go and see the Head and ask them to explain their decisions, tell them that the whole of Mumsnet need to know, I am sure they would be happy to give you all the details. Alternatively mind your own business and work on making your dc her favourite

Oh no! I've been demoted! I hadn't realised! I must be a dreadful teacher to be in year 3! How will I cope?
I'm not going to even respond to the OP and 'justify' myself or my job. All the OP has shown (and some of the replies) is their complete ignorance about how the school system works and what teachers do! Sadly, at the moment the teaching profession is fair game on mumsnet!

@NaughtToThreeSadOnions

Schools can actually jump teachers up the pay scale, so technically if someone gets a year 6 job, they could argue it’s more stressful and skip up the pay scale.

Also, to a non teacher it may seem like a demotion, so the doughnut emoji aren’t needed.

Defo at secondary school the NQTs and least experienced/good teachers get way more year 7-8s and often kept far away from exam
Classes.

I'm actually cringing on your behalf OP.

I think you may be basing your question on the notion that a teacher learns at the same rate as their pupils.

I've only ever heard a chikd voice this query

We don't sleep in classroom either.

*child

Schools can actually jump teachers up the pay scale, so technically if someone gets a year 6 job, they could argue it’s more stressful and skip up the pay scale.

Actually over the rainbow schools bump up the pay scale because of the experience teaching year six gives them the same way as they get bumped up the pay scale because they’ve specialised in teaching early years, or specialist science or maths leadership, or being a member of the senior management team. NOT BECAUSE YEAR SIX IS STRESSFUL. so in the school I used to TA in the senior management and subject leadership team we’re pretty much all early years and lower juniors because they were specialist early years, maths science and PE teachers. So further up the grade scale than the NQT year six teacher. And the other year six teacher wasn’t a specialist teacher so was on a midpoint pay scale.
but my point is that their paid to their pay scale not because their a year six teacher - so in this instance the teacher isn’t going to be bumped down the pay scale because their now a year three teacher!

Also, to a non teacher it may seem like a demotion, so the doughnut emoji aren’t needed

It might which is why the question was asked, ok fine, but once told by numerous of us that it wasn’t the case, instead of going ok thank you I see. OP has sought to go yes well this teachers nastttttttttyyyyyy so I want it to be a demotion

And you want to come in with a further kicking about pay.