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My school wants to know tomorrow if my RC is going back 1st June

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ShutUpaYourFace · 14/05/2020 10:42

I'm torn. My head says send him back, heart says not yet.
I was going to wait until nearer the time to make my decision but the school needs to know numbers which is fair enough.
I know the virus is with us for the long haul.
I know the school will implement the guidelines where possible. I know my child needs to go back, but my child is 4 he's ok at home. He will be mixing with 15 other children plus staff that's 17 plus different households. It won't be like normal, he was often tearful going, I wonder if sending him will be more harmful, he maybe with a different teacher, not with his usual friends.
I already work and have worked through except when my ds had a nasty chest infection going into lockdown so I had to isolate with him. Partner is furloughed not for childcare reasons. He delivers booze to pubs/bars so no chance of him returning until bars and restaurants re-open. So I'm thinking to leave ds with dp until mid June to see how things pan out.
I think writing this I have made my decision but interested to know WWYD?

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LadyPenelope68 · 14/05/2020 10:48

As a Primary Teacher, if you don't have to send him, them keep him safe at home. He's 4 years old keep him safe and happy, that's the priority IMO.

MMmomDD · 14/05/2020 10:56

I think for really small kids - unless parents can’t work otherwise - there isn’t a pressing need to go.
For me, it’s not because of the virus - which I do believe is a low risk in that age group - but more because they aren’t missing that much and can catch up easily when school returns in a more structured way in the fall.

Iamthe1andonlyyyyy · 14/05/2020 10:58

Ours had asked the same. They say they won't be teaching as such. I'm very torn

steppemum · 14/05/2020 11:02

really, at 4 he is fine at home.
There is plenty of time for him to catch up, most of Europe doesn't start teaching to read until 6 or 7.

I would say no.

SistemaAddict · 14/05/2020 11:03

Our school have sent a survey out to see if we are sending back reception and year six dc. I've said no.

ShutUpaYourFace · 14/05/2020 12:03

The school have been very good. They call once a week they set online work with no pressure. They have made it clear return is optional. I know the risk is small but I really think it could be more damaging for my child to send him. I think when the death rate and rate of new infections fall I will reconsider.

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Norestformrz · 14/05/2020 12:39

This is what they're doing in other countries to keep young children safe in schools ...

My school wants to know tomorrow if my RC is going back 1st June
Herpesfreesince03 · 14/05/2020 12:41

From your circumstances, I’d say keep him at home. If he’s only four and already finding school a little overwhelming, I see no benefit in sending him with things as they are now

toomuchfaster · 14/05/2020 12:45

DD is in yr 1 and I've said yes to the question but I'm reserving the right to change my mind depending on how things are going to work. If I'm not happy, I will keep her home.

DominaShantotto · 14/05/2020 12:52

They're only asking so they can have an idea of numbers, work out class splits into groups of 15 and get them so kids have some of their friendship groups in the same group as them. It's not some global conspiracy.

And to counter the alarmist fuckwit - I've seen the planning in our area and there are none of those silly chalk "jails" on the playground so quit with the bullshit please? They're going to be doing things like staggering playtimes, zoning the playground to keep kids in the same 15 child group throughout the day and the like - not locking them fucking up in 2 metre square cells.

OP - it's a choice only you can make for your child and your perception of risk - there are a hell of a lot of people on here trying to force and bully people into their way of thinking - go look up the exact school guidance if you need to, or ask the school their arrangements that they're planning - but make an informed choice and for your OWN circumstances - don't do it based on some barely literate social media memes and hysterical shouting.

(Also remember you can do a lot with camera angles to make people look isolated or clumped together in terms of how you're wanting to present the story)

I've deliberately not said what my decision would be up to now - for my kids, the detrimental impact on their mental health is concerning me so much with the social isolation and lack of peer contact that my decision may well be very different to yours. Neither of us is making the right or wrong choice - just the choice that's right for our circumstances.

I will now be hiding the thread as I can't be arsed getting drawn into an argument.

Coconut0il · 14/05/2020 12:53

As a parent, I won't be sending my Reception DS.
As a TA, I really hope as many parents as possible keep their children at home. Even if I am only staying with the same 15 children every day, it's still a massive worry to me.

Zodlebud · 14/05/2020 13:49

I do 100% believe that parents have the right to choose whether or not to send their children back in June (if allowed) but I am getting rather annoyed by the use of propaganda on the internet to guide the decision making down a certain route.

The government is to blame for not sharing the supposed scientific evidence as to how it would be safe to return, but there have been numerous studies and it looks highly promising. Nothing is confirmed but trends are showing that children are not the super spreaders they were initially thought to be.

Make the decision that’s right for your family but if you want guidance to help you make that decision then look to reliable sources. This is one of the best I have found from The Royal College of Paediatric Child Health with links to the supporting scientific papers if you are that way inclined.

www.rcpch.ac.uk/resources/covid-19-research-evidence-summaries

Butterymuffin · 14/05/2020 13:53

It's not a one size fits all decision, so for you, as he's so young, as he's not desperately asking to go back, and as you don't 'need' him to to get back Tw work, I would say keep him home. Think of it as freeing up the place for another child who does want to go and/or whose parents need to be in work.

cantkeepawayforever · 14/05/2020 14:01

NAHT (head teachers' union) advises all schools to plan as if all children will be in (and restrict their offering in terms of year groups accordingly) rather than try to tailor what is set up to a specific level of attendance.

So if the school is following that guidance, it genuinely doesn't matter what you say at this point.

(The initial survey of provision for key workers' children was a case in point - less than a tenth of those who said they would need it in the initial survey actually turned up on the first day, and the gap between survey and provision starting was WAY shorter than the time from now until June 1st)

happymummy12345 · 14/05/2020 14:17

My son is at nursery, they have sent an email asking parents to say if we would or would not send our child from the 1st June.
My son is due to start reception in September, he also has delays with development and really misses nursery. From that point of view I want him to go back as soon as possible as it will benefit him. But at the same time as much as I trust the nursery to do the best they can, I still feel it's too soon and not safe enough (and I don't think staff should be expecting to do everything suggested by the government, they have enough to do as it is without adding more on top.
So I'll be saying no, not from 1st June. Maybe from July if more non essential shops are open and the risk isn't as high then I'll be happier to send him in.

IndecentFeminist · 14/05/2020 14:35

You don't have to give a definitive answer now. We are getting a lot of 'yes but will depend on the situation at the time' which is fair enough.

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ITonyah · 14/05/2020 15:03

I don't think I would have sent my 4 year old in, I have to say. But I was a SAHP.

Reginabambina · 14/05/2020 15:06

Better to respond yes if you’re unsure and then decide closer to the date surely?

spanieleyes · 14/05/2020 15:19

We do need to plan for the number of expected children because the scenarios will be completely different if all children in the specific groups attend. We have 40 Reception Children, 40 Year 1s and another 40 yr 6 s plus an additional 30 vulnerable/ key worker children. That's potentially 150 children in. But we only have 9 classrooms/ teaching spaces. If all come in, we will need a rota across the week. If they don't, we can possibly have them in all week. We need to know.

ShutUpaYourFace · 14/05/2020 18:00

I really appreciate all the responses and totally agree that everyone's situation and children are different. I also know I'm very lucky that I have a choice, usually we both work and grandparents help us out over the holidays, with grandparents currently not an option, if my partner was working, we would have no choice but to send him.

I wish everyone well whatever they decide.

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admission · 14/05/2020 18:11

Spanieleyes,
The answer is very simple. If the intention is to move as soon as practical to all primary school pupils being in school and that distancing in small (15 pupil) classes is necessary then the maths says that you can only have part time attendance. Going for all of nursery, reception, year 1 and year 6 in full time simply means that after about 3 weeks, assuming that the whole thing does not turn into a disaster, will mean a second change to part time attendance which is just plain silly and incredibly disruptive.
Get everybody in part time and starting to settle into a routine by the time the summer holidays come around.

cantkeepawayforever · 14/05/2020 18:21

Admission, I agree. The advice from the NAHT was, I thought, very sensible:

"NAHT’s overarching advice is that schools should proceed methodically and with caution. It would be prudent to plan for a high-take up of places, even if parents and carers indicate that initial take-up is likely to be low. This is because, over time, more parents may want to send their children into school as they see others return. NAHT, therefore, recommends that members plan on the basis that virtually all pupils in a class could return. This will help to ensure any plan is sustainable over the summer term."

They further said, which I thought was interesting, because my reading of the advice document from the DfE was, similarly, that part time was not being encouraged:
" NAHT’s understanding is that, at this point in time, the DfE would prefer schools to prioritise bringing back individual year groups on a consistent basis rather than alternating year groups on a rota basis. We understand this is because it will reduce the number of contacts and help those parents return to work, whereas alternating days or weeks is less likely to achieve this.

However, if the individual circumstances of a school mean the use of rotas even within a year group is unavoidable, we recommend schools try to avoid split day rotas as this is likely to increase the number of parents, staff and pupils coming into contact with each other on a daily basis and reduced opportunity for cleaning etc. A week on, week off approach is likely to be more manageable."

I can quite understand that heads will want to keep people happy, and accommodate everyone's wishes if they can - so it might seem sensible in the short term to get in 'everyone who wants to come in' even if those arrangements don't scale up easily, to avoid people saying 'but the school is almost empty, they should have my child in today as well'. However, the advice to plan for a solution that works as parents change their minds seems really sensible.

cantkeepawayforever · 14/05/2020 22:07

Detailed guidance out today absolutely emphasises no rota:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/preparing-for-the-wider-opening-of-schools-from-1-june/planning-guide-for-primary-schools

It states that there should be no rota system, either daily or weekly, and that if groups cannot be accommodated / staffed (based on all eligible pupils attending), then priority should be given to certain year groups rather than others.

admission · 14/05/2020 22:25

So decision made, throw that plan out of the window.
Which is the height of stupidity. Where does the DfE think they are going to spirit double the classrooms from when we welcome back years 2,3,4 and 5 at the end of June, so that all primary pupils have a month in school. They are living in cloud cuckoo land or banking on 50% plus of pupils not coming back to school this side of the summer holidays.

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