Why would school not want to do EHCP

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I've posted this in sen as well but my ds is starting the process of seeing the autism team and possibly getting a diagnosis but that's 18 months away. Paediatrician told us to get a EHCP spoke to Senco about it they said he doesn't need one, they have children with autism who haven't got one, and they won't apply if they don't think he'll get it.
They pushed for this referral in the first place
Why are they now saying no? I've done a lot of googling seems like it costs their budget etc
Am I being truly fobbed off here or should I trust the Senco?

Paediatricians who spend 20 minutes with a child and then write a report saying they won’t be seeing the child again, but that the school must apply for an EHC plan are the main topic of our SENCO cluster meetings.

Catkin my son's first Ed psych referred to me as a neurotic over protective mother which explains why his needs were ignored throughout primary.

Mrz it’s so, so wrong isn’t it. Mind you at least I haven’t been told to go on a parenting course yet. I know far too many other parents (mainly mums) who have been told to.

Had to postpone Senco meeting it's at end of this week. How ds has been I believe more than ever now an ECHP would help, I'm feeling the support Is lacking recently and I'm getting a lot of ds behaviour hasn't been good today'
I understand this but they have to work with me for a solution I can't do it all by myself
I need to see a good solid support plan In place, that isn't going to change or he's going to lose at some point.
I am feeling the stereotype of no diagnosis so we expect him just to get better, behave listen etc
Disheartened at mo

The behaviour problems are arising because the school is not meeting his needs. Apply for an EHC Needs assessment yourself. Info here:

www.ipsea.org.uk/ehc-needs-assessments

And be prepared to fight for it. A lot of LAs automatically turn down requests only to back down when parents appeal.

A lot of people on this thread are reporting a lot of unlawful practice and policies. They should be challenged.

Just do it yourself , I did my own for my son ... as far as I know they get more money for the school if they get one though so it makes no sense .

The school will get SOME money with a funded EHCP but nowhere near sufficient to cover the costs. So, apart from the £6000 notional funding ( which is exactly that, notional!) my local authority then funds TA costs at £10.16 per hour. Even the cheapest TA, with National insurance costs etc that the school has to pay, costs £15.60 an hour. So in effect the school has to find £6000 plus c £5 per hour for each EHCP.

That still doesn't mean the school shouldn't apply though, my business manager just has to grin and bear it every time I'm successful

Interesting thread, I've had a similar thread in aibu.

Good luck op. Those pp who have been let down, have you ever contacted your mp, or local paper etc?

@SinkGirl how did the meeting go? I'm waiting for my ds (4Years old) Ed psych assessment next week and I don't know what to expect. Did you get the EHCP easy?

I'd say apply yourself and if they say no APPEAL APPEAL APPEAL.
Our LA routinely breaks the law and the initial assess threshold is very low but they refuse a lot as most ppl don't appeal.
My son is now out of school and EHE but EHCP was final point on why he is. Our old SENCO will not do paperwork and I know ppl who have waited over a year so far to get her to do a referal to other services.

Update: they point blank refused to do EHCP they said they need to prove they've already spent £6000 on him and they haven't. They did promise me better support though they did an individual plan, he was supposed to have emotion cards on his table, a learning break to burn off energy and things like that
For a few days things were good
Until DS came home today and said he asked for his emotion cards today as he had been moved table and was told no
I could scream

That’s an EHCP myth

And an IEP isn’t legally binding

It's a myth but many LA still insist on evidence that the school has spent £6000 from the notional SEN budget before an EHCP application progresses. We have to provide a costed provision map with any application.

Update: they point blank refused to do EHCP they said they need to prove they've already spent £6000 on him and they haven't.

Quite frankly that is unlawful bollocks. Apply for an EHC Needs assessment yourself following the link on my previous post, explaining your son's difficulties in detail and that school are not meeting his needs.

If the LA turns you down appeal and go back to IPSEA for further advice from the Tribunal advice helpline.They will help you through it.

It won't be easy and will probably be very stressful, but unfortunately the bottom line is, if you don't fight for your son, no one else will.

Yes it's unlawful bollocks but it's being imposed on schools from above

The £6000 rule sounds totally crazy - especially since the provision requirements listed in an EHCP don't have to have a cost implication (eg X will always be seated at the front of the room; X will be provided with a Now, Then board in every lesson).
Have you tried contacting SENDIAS for advice? Before you apply for an ECHP, you will usually need to have gone through three cycles of Plan, Do, Review with a support plan (to show that your son's needs can't be adequately met with a support plan and need an ECHP). That process will be harder to do if the school isn't sticking to the support plan, because an EHCP assessment panel will be likely to argue that the support plan would be adequate if it was followed.
You need to insist that you have a copy of the support plan, insist that the plan is reviewed regularly in writing, insist that the review includes your views on what is/isn't working - there should be a box on the plan.The school should also be doing whatever they can to capture your son's wishes and feelings for the review.
Sorry - you are going to have to do a lot of insisting! I would suggest that after every meeting with school, you follow up with an email - "Just to recap, we agreed today that you would... You said ...... I said ....." Then, if things are not happening, you can start ccing other people in..
Fingers crossed that it starts to fall into place for you and him..

Just to mention - for all those people who worry that schools can't be bothered to do EHCP paperwork or SENCOs don't see the point - I wish I could have videoed the room full of teachers and TAs dancing around and celebrating this morning, when we found out that the panel had approved an EHCP for one of our children. A huge amount of work has gone into it - all of which had to be driven by us, as her parents have no English. It won't have any money attached for us and won't even apply for long in our primary setting - she is in Year 6. But it means we know she will get what she needs as she moves onto secondary. And we are over the moon about it....

Everything is working a bit better now there's a consistent plan, ds is happy
The cards being taken away were a misunderstanding
He told me he used them today as he was sad and then his teacher made his problem better which warmed my heart
He's starting to thrive
I think it's going to get difficult as he gets older though
The school really are trying their best for him I think their hands are tied
I feel happier with things recently though
Time will tell!