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Bute House +11 Results

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Knightsbridge · 14/03/2019 17:39

They are not on the website yet, but does anybody know how Bute did this year for +11 results? Thanks.

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DancingbytheRiver · 17/05/2019 14:10

Knightsbridge, as someone said the results will filter through one way or the other, but the other alternative is that they are so sure about what they are doing (combination of admission and selection, teaching methods, and profile of parents they would like to attract) that they don't care. Its not all about raw results, certainly not in the long run in life. (although results are a good part of the equation).

I would certainly go for the school with the right ethos and proven teaching efficacy over results. As you rightly say, results depend very much on the cohort too.

Lolakath19 · 17/05/2019 14:15

I guess what Knightsbridge wanted to say is that historically the best girls in very good schools like (Falkner house, glendower, Ken Prep) were trying to get into Bute at 7+ because of the outstanding results and they might slightly loose some popularity (from these schools) if they decide not to publish their leavers destinations.
But I agree with Windmills, I think they might have or will communicate their results to parents first and may update the page later. So let's see.

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Knightsbridge · 17/05/2019 14:18

Maybe you're right. Perhaps the results were so strong this year that they didn't even feel the need to publish them. Getting more granularity via information trickling out of parents seems suboptimal though. If the results were extremely strong then why not just publish them as you normally do year after year? There's more to life than going to any particular school. However, I wonder if all the Year 5 Bute parents have that same feeling now with their kids about to do the 11+ next year?

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Knightsbridge · 17/05/2019 14:21

@Lolakath19 yes, I was. Thank you.

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ForeverbyJudyBlume · 17/05/2019 17:25

Why on earth do you care so much?

ourkidmolly · 17/05/2019 17:59

Are you working for KPS? Certainly reads like that.

Lolakath19 · 17/05/2019 18:56

I am not sure if the question was for me or not. I don’t know about Knightsbridge but I am a KPS parent and interested in results of school in general (both private and state) and mostly primary. Maybe because my kids are in primary school I guess. I don’t think KPS is the best school I think it suits my daughter at the moment. We had an opportunity to move her at Bute this year but did not take it as commute did not make sense. We also considered state school and I am following results of schools like larmenier, bousfield, our ladies of victories , serviteur, Fox. I am not trying to make a ranking or anything but genuinely interested by what schools have to offer and why they are successful as it helps me make choices for my kids. Not sure why people are that agressive or defensive. It is a forum and Knightsbridge wanted to know if someone heard about Bute results. KPS is not doing as well as it was 6/7 years ago that is what it is and bad year/good year can happen to every school. If I offended anyone I am sorry. I think Bute is an excellent school with very bright girls and excellent staff.

ourkidmolly · 17/05/2019 19:37

No that was to @Knightsbridge whose posts seem very odd.

newmummycwharf1 · 17/05/2019 19:49

I'm now a North London parent so have no dog in the race but interested in your KPS comments. As like you, I've got kids in preschool/starting primary and very interested in what makes a school a great school. I would have thought results would vary year on year due to variability in cohort but if the teaching is great mostly - the school would get the best out of the kids they get. Apart from the proportion going on to St Paul's, what has changed/or isn't great about KPS?

wasthesummerof69 · 17/05/2019 20:00

I'm an interested bystander and wonder what you mean by KPS is not as good as it was - do you mean less girls getting to St Paul's or in general?
I never understand why St Paul's (girls and boys) are held up to be the holy grail by so many parents. Good schools for the right sort of children but def not for everyone and many very clever ones don't even apply.

Jsku · 17/05/2019 22:55

Bute didn’t have as strong a year at SPGS as last year’s bumper intake. That bit is known around the school. This year number is more like 12, according to the Y6 parents.
However - it is right to assume that the change in reporting must indicate that other schools results aren’t as strong, which is perplexing.

It is still a great school as nothing really has changed since last year when girls did extremely well.
So - it’s a mystery.

Michaelahpurple · 18/05/2019 23:55

They got unusually few in to Paul's, so no particular suprise that they have changed policy. Faulkner must be laughing their cute uniform off - a number of girls left F to go to B to boost P chances, and F got loads more in this year.

MMmomDD · 19/05/2019 00:19

But these things are up and down year on year...
FH had an amazing year. Next year is unlikely to be the same.
Equally with any of the schools.
What is interesting more is the share of any of these academic preps that go into the top three secondaries - StP, GL and LU....
I am sure Bute will have to publish more on results as parents will be quite unhappy with this change of reporting.
Let’s wait and see what comes out. Something always does.

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Knightsbridge · 19/05/2019 09:01

@MMmomDD I agree, a more useful gauge of leavers' destinations is what percentage are going to the combination of SPGS+GL+LU schools. Of course, maybe the mix of schools changed this year, perhaps more went to great schools like City or JAGS, etc? One parent told me they chose Bute for several reasons: culture, curriculum, teaching staff, academic & sports/arts facilities, and strength of where students went after Year 6. This seems like sound judgement. She then admitted she was confused as to why the school is no longer publishing more detailed results. Regardless, the school still has many wonderful attributes so it's best not to get hung up on a silly list. Maybe Bute is right, perhaps it's best to provide less detail and focus on other important features of the school. I salute Bute for taking this innovative step forward. Other schools should follow their example.

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MMmomDD · 19/05/2019 09:47

@Knightsbridge

I also do think that it’s a great school on many levels.
But I disagree that it’s a great innovative step to change reporting in the year where results went worse.
It sends exactly the wrong message. That contrary to what they are always saying - that it’s not about numbers to StP - it actually seems to be about numbers.
Otherwise - why hide them. They are what they are.
And - more importantly - they will come out anyway as people talk and share.
Just silly

DancingbytheRiver · 19/05/2019 11:54

Knightsbridge your post is spot on. Plus if they are not publishing results, I am sure they are ready to face the consequences, whatever these are. I wonder if you cal would they give the results away?

Lolakath19 · 19/05/2019 16:20

Newmummycwharf1 andwastbesummerof69 I was just referring to the numbers of girls going to SPGS as looks like the comparison point nowadays.

newmummycwharf1 · 19/05/2019 16:50

@lolakath19 got it. I honestly wouldn't judge a school on proportion going to SPSG especially if you have personal experience of the day-to-day running and first hand experience of the teaching, pastoral care, ambition for the girls and such like. Prospective parents who judge based on leavers destination are using it as a surrogate metric for the teaching quality/aspiration/ambition of the school - because they have no other way of judging these things. Parents in the school can judge these metrics directly. If these things are great in your experience, lucky you!

Lolakath19 · 19/05/2019 17:17

I was not par of the school when the St. Paul results were very high so not sure if anything change. As I said before we had the opportunity to move our daughter to Bute but did not do it as she/ we are very happy with KPS so far and like the new headmistress ethos. Teachers and staff have always taken good care of our daughter and she is making good progress. Of course there are always things that we wish would be different but I guess it is the case in every school. I am personally not focus on St. Paul results because I don’t think St. Paul is for every girl and I don’t know if mine would fit this environment. It is of course an outstanding school. But you can do well in your life without being to St. Paul or goldophin got latymer. We will see when the time comes and when we would have had a chance to visit secondary schools what will suit her Best. At the moment what is important for me is that she loves going to school and learning and always comes back home with an exciting story or something to look forward to.

organiccoffee · 19/05/2019 18:24

I have been following this thread with great interest. Also a number of prepreps have not published their 7+ results yet.

MMmomDD · 19/05/2019 18:40

Thing is - Bute, and other schools will have to disclose actual results when prospective 7+ applicants come for the open day in the fall...
And it’s just silly to try to camouflage them this way and to call it a ‘change of policy’....
As nothing changed in the school - senior years teaching stuff is still there, and the same as achieved great results just the year before - an off year is just that - an off year. It happens and people will understand that.
Coverup is always worse than the truth.
In my opinion.

DancingbytheRiver · 20/05/2019 09:52

Bute have now moved the logos to a separate tab called "Senior school links" under "Moving on". Clearly they do not want to disclose any time soon, because the new link still reads as 2019 destinations and if it was only about links then it would have been a more general tab including senior schools in the last [5] years or something....

Huffthemagicdragon · 20/05/2019 11:30

I wonder what is the best way for schools to display leavers' destinations. My kids went to a state primary with 60% FSM so this wasn't an issue but I was interested in our local privates by way of comparison. One of them (with very few pupils) does a 'Boy 1', 'Girl 1' etc with a list of schools they got into and it's utterly identifying (to the extent that I realised a parent I know had lied to me about their kid's offers/scholarships!). I'd be horrified if my child's performance was displayed in this way. Especially horrible for those that aren't as able.

And if I were a secondary school admissions person, I wouldn't like the '10 offers none accepted' type way of displaying as it clarifies that awful hierarchy of desirability. I don't think what Bute are doing now is bad as it surely shouldn't just be about destinations which often reflect the intake more than the teaching anyway. I think a list with 'these are the schools they're going to and if you want a more detailed breakdown please contact us' would be best.

organiccoffee · 20/05/2019 11:59

Huffthemagicdragon

I agree that "offers not accepted" number is utterly unnecessary. As a parent, I am only interested in how many pupils end up in which schools. They don't need to tell me how many places in certain schools are not accepted.

But listing logo is ridiculous in my view. It discloses no meaningful information at all.

For private schools, they live or die by their exit results, so it's for their own interest to list good results.