Year 2 teacher had to be corrected on pronunciation of Pepys

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Interested to hear opinions on this.

DD's class are doing the great fire of London and their teacher was talking about the diary of Samuel "Peppis". DD's friend told him it was Peeps in the inimitable style of a 6 year old.

Should I be worried. New teacher to the school. I don't tend to interfere but I would've thought that was pretty general knowledge.

Then when he gave them times tables he did 2 x 1, 2 x 2, 2 x 3 etc which is the wrong way round.....

Happy to be told to wind my neck in!

Jdeah did you RTFT? Every second poster has said it’s taught that way in Scotland/europe

I cannot believe people are getting so arrogant and judgemental over knowing year two subject matter. year fucking two. Well done you pretentious lot, you're as smart as a 6 year old.

And the USA

Perhaps the teacher has never heard the word actually pronounced, so that’s the way she thinks it is. We all make mistakes you know, nobody is perfect.

As for the times tables, you’re making an issue over nothing! It’s a commonly used way to learn them a d probably used alongside the 1x2, 2x2 way at the same time. Aids recall and makes sure someone knows them confidently not just in repetition.

I stand corrected. I do maintain that it is confusing for a young child to be taught in a different manner particularly if it is not uniform across the school. But in time serves them well to learn both sets. DS’ year one teacher didn’t know the difference between practice and practise...

We never did Pepys either, v Scottish history centric, Culloden, Campbell Vs MacDonald, Burns, Flora and Bonnie Prince Charles, with the obligatory learning of 'speeeeed bonnie boat' and Bairns Sangs for school performance, - getting quite off track and nostalgic here! Thing is if you don't KNOW your pronunciation is wrong, why would you need to check it isn't wrong?

hing is if you don't KNOW your pronunciation is wrong, why would you need to check it isn't wrong?

This is exactly what I was going to say. “Pepys” looks like it should be perfectly phonetic.

I never did Pepys at school. I probably only learned about him from the tv, or perhaps doing recounts in English maybe?

The times tables wouldn't bother me in the least. I think knowing that theyre interchangeable is teaching a concept. Maybe she sometimes presents them in the traditional way. "Oh dear, i seem to have written them the wrong way round! Hang on, what do we notice about the answers?!"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VarSSAwiimU the teacher needed Magic Grandad

Pingudance, I have to disagree with you about Caesar/Kaiser. Yes, a Roman would have said Kaiser, but Caesar is the normal anglicised pronunciation. If I were reading a passage of Latin out loud then I would say Yulius Kaisair (because I would effectively be speaking Latin), but if I were talking about him in English, then I would say Joolius Seezer. In just the same way as if I were taking part in a conversation in French I would pronounce the capital of France as Paree, but if I were talking about France in geography I would say Paris. I don't think it's more 'correct', even as a pedant, to say Kaisair and Paree when you're speaking English.

I was never taught about the great fire of London. Or I probably was but in a sort of London’s burning not rh recorder sort of way. I have watched the Horrible Histories episode about the diaries though. However I have never seen the name written down so it would have taken me a while to grasp that they were the same.

I think OP has been very open to the idea that different is not necessarily wrong and that sometimes little errors crop up in teaching.

I get a weird thing when writing on the board where I miss out letter or start inverting things. The classes are quite happily to politely point it out and I am quite happy to be corrected.

^on the recorder

My child has a student teacher who misspelled 'motorway' in their reading diary. I would be more concerned by inability to spell basic words than knowing how to pronounce pepys (not ideal I know)..

@brisklady - I was joking about Kaiser. I don’t say it like that for exactly the reasons you said. I was being facetious.

You may not have done Pepys and the Great Fire of London in school and maybe this teacher didn't either. But it is big standard year 2 and has been for a few years. My dd is Y7 and she did it in Y2.
She also did the Benin Empire a year or two after. I hadn't ever done it.

Again, it is not unreasonable to expect the teacher to have double checked some pronunciation before teaching the topic.

Bog standard not big standard

@pingudance sorry

@brisklady - don’t be sorry! it’s my own fault for making a knobby comment.

What else is MN for?

What is it you think this says about the teacher, other than that nobody has ever, correctly, said Pepys in their presence? 😳

Just because 2x3 = 3x2 does not mean they are both correct.
The confusion is often caused by people's misunderstanding that multiplication is repeated addition. It isn’t.

In England we tend to teach times tables but that's not the same in other countries or other parts of the U.K.

@GHGN that's really confused me! What would make one incorrect? Maths is a weakness for me!

It's a convention and correct/incorrect will depend on where and what you were taught.

shakey, confused me too and I have a maths PhD.

Multiplication by a natural number absolutely is repeated addition, how else would you define it ghgn? Can't see what you're getting at there.

There isn't one correct way to write times tables or one correct way to interpret multiplication in words.
I think some people may be seeing it as incorrect because they want times tables to be " X lots of 4" and are stuck on 3 x 4 meaning 3 lots of 4. DC's school teach 3 x 4 as "3, four times" though, so their times tables initially go the opposite way round. Which has the advantage of matching the way short multiplication is usually taught with
36
x 4
__

being visualised as 36 four times not vice versa.
I do personally prefer the other way round but don't agree either is incorrect.