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Summer born child - is there anything I can do to help?

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loweylo · 19/06/2018 17:23

My daughter will be four at the end of July and will start school this September.

I do have my reservations about it - she seems so young - but we chose not to defer entry, so I've got to go with it now.

She's been in preschool for a few hours a day for the last year and knows a few kids going to school (although most of them have been put into a different mixed yr 1 / reception class - she'll be in a pure reception class). Preschool have done lots of school prep, but nothing on phonics etc. I've not done anything with her either on their recommendation despite my daughter asking me to teach her to read. Apparently the school don't like it when local preschools and nurseries do it. But now I'm beginning to wonder...

Is there anything I could be doing to reduce the summer born disadvantage? I'm not grade chasing here and, honestly, I'm not at all a pushy parent. But I don't want to leave her at even more of a disadvantage by not doing things that I should have been doing. If she's been asking to read, should I have been teaching her?

My birthday is late August and it seemed to have little impact on me academically, I loved school, but I did go to a very small primary school (15 pupils in the whole school!) so I don't know if that made a difference.

Would love to hear from other summer born parents or teachers. Any tips? Experiences? She's my oldest daughter, so this is all new to me - can you tell?!

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Needmorewine · 19/06/2018 17:32

I wouldn’t worry about her not knowing phonics etc children come in with such a wide range of ability we generally just start everyone from the very beginning. I’d go for practical things to help her settle so

  • can you practice getting dressed and undressed for PE etc this is really important
  • If she is having packed lunch make sure she can open it. Or if school dinners is there a menu you can pick from in the morning so she knows what to ask for.
  • can she recognise her name
  • being able to sit and focus is really important and will help her, so can she sit and concentrate on a jigsaw puzzle / looking at a book for 10 minutes at a time for example.
  • any chance you could get to know anyone over the summer, invite one of her class over for a play date ? Even if they don’t end up best friends it will help on her first day.

She is a young one but the school will be aware of this and the first half term is very much about settling in. Try not to worry. You wouldn’t believe how sure of themselves some of our youngest / most timid at the beginning are now we’ve had them for a year Wink

TryingToForgeAnewLife · 19/06/2018 17:36

Reception help list:

The summer before my August born boy went to school we started practising on preparation – here is my list of helpful hints!

Velcro shoes – unless they can do laces up with no help and very quickly

Make sure you contact your school to find out how to obtain the uniform. Sometimes it has to be ordered via the school and when they close at the end of July its means you won’t have a uniform for September!!

Find out which days P.E is on and on those days don’t button up the polo shirt – with a jumper on over the top it won’t be noticed anyway!

If they have to wear proper shirts with lots of buttons that are really too difficult to do up quickly - unpick the buttons. Sew them on the "hole" side where they would end up if they were properly done up. Then get velcro and sew that onto the shirt - so when its put together it looks just like a proper done up shirt.

Or just do that to some of the buttons, so they get to practice them still (or just wear the Velcro shirt on PE days!!)

Personal care – ensure can wash hands, sort clothing out. My son couldn’t wipe his own bottom and so I ensured he got into a “routine” of doing one before bed so I knew he wouldn’t run into difficulties at school.

Put half a smiley face in each shoe so that when they are placed together the correct way round they form one big happy face – helps to get the shoes on the correct feet.

Practice with a lunchbox and different wrappings. I realised that I just hand my son a plate of food (as does nursery) and so he never had to undo anything!. He found a zipped lunch box easier than a velcro one. He found cling film to fidderly and so I get cheap food bags and put his sandwiches in them and wrap them over. He then puts all his left over’s in the bag so the lunch box comes back in a decent state!

Put a slit in the top of packets so they tear open easily or open them and fold them over and seal with a sticker (children can ALWAYS get a sticker off things!).

Fromage frais makes less mess than runny yogurt. Don’t forget to pack a spoon.

Sport top on bottles easier than screw tops or cartons (it all comes home in the lunch box so think of less spillage)

Label everything unless you don’t want it back. I got some really good stickers printed with just our surname on so all the family could use them for different things. They are dishwasher proof too. Marks and Spencers do socks that have the size in them and space to write a name – great if you have more than one child (but with different sized feet) in the same coloured socks (or is it just me who finds figuring out which socks belong to which family member a challenge!!).

Small icepack for the summer.

Some foods are not allowed in lunches so check with the school.

Before my (very young and clumsy)son had school dinners I brought a tray plate (from boots) that the food gets put directly on as that is what they use in school so he could practice carrying it to the table without dropping it. (was terrified he would drop it at school and everyone would laugh).

If they are a very small or slow eater don’t give them too much otherwise they will spend their whole lunch break eating and not outside playing. Some schools insist they eat everything. Just take a snack for on the way home if they are hungry.

Elasticated skirts and trousers to make it easier to get on/off.

If there is a 'school' coat, and it's not compulsory DON'T BUY ONE. If 30 children all have an identical coat it's a nightmare to sort them out.

Show your child how to hang their coat on a peg, using the loop. Otherwise the coat will live on a muddy cloakroom floor.

Tie something distinctive on your child's bookbag and PE bag, so they can recognise their own among many identical ones - a keyring or something is ideal

Putting his clothes back on when they are inside out and back-to-front (ie as they'll be after he's taken them off after PE). My DS could dress himself so it never occurred to me that his clothes were always presented in a nice "sanitised" manner

Some children found the sheer noise and busy environment very stressful when they first start school and I wasn't prepared for that with my son who found lunchtimes in the hall with a hundred or so other children all chattering, clanking cutlery, scraping chairs and clinking plates really intimidating and scary.

Not much you can do (unless you have a massive home and a hundred children to invite round) but by going to busy places with him beforehand and telling him that school might get noisy sometimes but it's nothing to be worried about he will at least be able to remember your words when faced with increased hustle and bustle.

My son was sometimes a bit nervous about going in and “being alone” all day without me, so I filled his pocket with “kisses” and told him to reach in for one if he felt a bit sad. At nearly 7yrs he still asked for them when going somewhere new (eg Beavers for the first time)

Teach your child to stuff their hat/scarf/gloves into the sleeve of their coat when they hang their coat up - stops them from getting lost and reminds dc to put them back on when they go out to play as they automatically find them when they put their coat back on!

A top tip I was given was that school shirts come in packs of three so you buy 2 packs, that gives you 6 shirts, one for every day of the week, plus 1 you put aside for the school christmas show, prize giving or whatever.

If you are a working parent, as soon as you find out your allocated school you MUST sort childcare. Childminders and after school clubs get booked up very quickly. The school office may have a list of childcare establishments.
I sewed back the bottom bit of the material away from the zip on my DS's coat when he started Reception (to make it easier to do up).

If they wear proper shirts (as opposed to polo shirts), don't bother with long sleeved ones - the cuffs will get so grubby you'll only get one day's wear out of them. Short sleeves are better!

School uniform does go missing – be it misplaced or stolen. If you don’t need to get logo’d uniform then don’t as this is what tends to go easily. Also make your uniform more distinctive so when the children leave school you will be able to spot a piece of your Childs clothing on another child. Eg put a small key ring on the zipper of the school coat/jacket. Will make it easier to pull up as well.
Write in permanent ink inside the collar or sleeve – any where it can be easily seen and can not be cut out (like labels). Sew a small colour co-ordinated flower/star/circle (whatever is appropriate) on the collar – again is small but distinctive.
Phase out any after-lunch naps - they don't get this at school and it will be much harder for those who are still used to this.

Buy a nit comb and tie long hair back.
Find out where the lost box is you will be a regular

If any allergies check epi pens write in dates they need to be replaced and have a treat box at school for when children hand out cakes on their birthdays.

Checking the school bag for letters party invites daily and dealing with stuff as soon as possible such as writing the dates down and getting stuff organised for it.

Keep unsuitable xmas and birthday presents for the various donations that the school ask for throughout the year (i.e summer and xmas fetes).

I also think it's good to ask the child themselves if there is anything they are worrying about - with DS he wanted to know the "routine" was so he could mentally tick it off during the day, so I found this out and let him know. He was also worried that no one would play with him so I suggested friend making strategies e.g. saying "My name is X, what's your name, do you want to play with me?"

reluctantbrit · 19/06/2018 18:52

I wouldn’t worry about academics. Knowing numbers and letters is good but I wouldn’t worry about actual reading. There are lovely Orchard Games with letter, numbers and shapes, on top of learning she also practices taking turns, concentration and sitting still.

Apart from what PP said I would practice fine motor skills. That was the one thing my July born DD had the most problems. Hama, playdoh, threading beads, simple sewing, cutting shapes out of cards or magazines, colouring in, dot-to-dot are all great exercises.

NellMangel · 19/06/2018 19:03

@tryingtoforgeanewlife That is the best list ever! Thank you

AalyaSecura · 19/06/2018 20:27

Ds is July born, growth delayed so started reception v small compared to peers, and had not great motor skills, so despite my best efforts, he started school struggling to dress (uniform is button down shirts), wipe own bottom, hold a pencil properly etc.

But he was very interested in learning to read (older sibling), so I taught him - phonic sounds, blending, and he was reading simple books when he started. We used the hairy letters app and alphablocks, then Songbirds books (a while back now!). I wanted to give him a skill that would give him confidence, and that would confound any expectations that teachers might have had about him being a tiny summer born boy (to be fair his reception teacher was great so I don't think she would have underestimated him). But I'm really glad I gave him a boost before he started, it gave him a lot of confidence to be ahead on something when he struggled with other aspects.

User111888 · 19/06/2018 20:39

tryingtoforgeanewlife, that 's a fantastic list, thank you. I also have a summer born and that's very useful.
I also bought several different lunch boxes to try out and see what works best before the school starts. Clever idea about buttons and velcro.
I worry less about academic stuff but more about being smaller and less mature than others and finding friends. Our preschool teaches them some letters and numbers though.

TryingToForgeAnewLife · 19/06/2018 21:14

That's ok. I wrote that list and have added to it over the years. DS1 is now in y10.

TryingToForgeAnewLife · 19/06/2018 21:15

Ds1 is also dyspraxic and autistic .... as well as being summer born.... not that l knew that when he was about to start school

Zaidacapetown · 19/06/2018 21:45

These are wonderful suggestions to help us worried summer born mums.

AvonCallingBarksdale · 19/06/2018 21:51

My DS is late July - when he started school his primary did 2 terms of mornings only which was fortunate as he was still having a nap 2/3 afternoons per week Grin
He passed the 11+ with flying colours, plays rugby and runs for his county. It’s never been an issue Smile

ThatsNotEvenAWord · 19/06/2018 21:56

trying you sound like a wonderful mum. Thank you for the list :)

TryingToForgeAnewLife · 19/06/2018 22:06

Try and make some school mum friends. You may be successful ... you may not.

I know that by being lucky enough to make some, it has really helped with childcare issues or to run stuff pass someone. or when you are running really late for school collection and your friend's rings and checks your ok as your child is still waiting... and drops them home for you

TryingToForgeAnewLife · 19/06/2018 22:09

Another thing l have noticed is the amount of parents that end up working in the school as dinner ladies or TA.. think longterm as to whether this is something you might like to do. If so volunteer to go in an help read with a class just once a week as it gets you "known" there for when vacancies appear

loweylo · 20/06/2018 08:22

Wow, thanks so much everyone.

tryingtoforgeanewlife - that list is just amazing! Thanks so much for sharing all that. It's the best prep list I've ever seen! I'm so glad I asked.

@AalyaSecura - thanks for that. I wonder if that would help my daughter too. I have been told by lots of parents that the reception teacher is brilliant, but I don't think it would hurt for her to feel comfortable with a few things.

@AvonCallingBarksdale - oh, I so wish they did that at this school. Full time for all kids from day one here, which I think is a bit cruel considering Monday - Thursday they're in 8.30 - 3.30 :( Really glad to hear that he's doing so well.

I think there's quite a lot of scaremongering with summer born children. I hadn't even considered it an issue to begin with, but then I kept reading about it and started worrying. I suppose every child is different so I need to make sure that I'm not creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. She might waltz in and be absolutely fine.

This has helped so much though, thanks everyone.

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BubblesBuddy · 20/06/2018 12:47

My summer borns did walz in and never looked back. People do seem to over worry about summer borns and, as long as you are positive and do not say to your child that they are not as advanced as the others because they are younger, your DD will be fine. Do not even think it!

Also, one of mine was more advanced than many 5 year olds at 4. There seems to be this idea that summer borns are all backward. Clearly they are not. So be positive and do not believe every survey you see or anecdotes that do not describe your child (even mine!).

When summer born children were part time, they received a great deal less teaching than their older, full time peers. No wonder they fell behind! This fed a lot of the stats so the schools moved to getting summer borns in earlier to try and stop the disadvantage. Now we don't want that because children are too young to go to school . We cannot have it both ways. My DD1 was in the first cohort in her school to start full time when they were 4 and she absolutely flew. She had not napped since being 2 and hardly any child does at 4 plus. I saw no evidence of napping at all and no friend of mine has had a child that was napping at 4. She was ready to learn, could do everything asked of her (even do shoe buckles and buttons) and was reading well by 5 the following summer. Her nursery had done phonics because she was going to school and they did basic phonics from 3 if the child was ready. I think I would start on phonics if she is ready. Certainly read lots of books to her and discuss the words and stories. It makes a huge difference. I think it is a shame your nursery does not differentiate their curriculum. My elder July born DD was one mark off full marks in the 11 plus. I am glad no-one made the assumption she was less capable than others.

Keep positive and you will both be fine.

AvonCallingBarksdale · 20/06/2018 17:09

BubblesBuddy what can I say, DS likes his sleep - he certainly wasn’t the only one in his peer group who still liked 40 winks of an afternoon at just 4. Perhaps we’re just lazy in our neck of the woods Grin

BubblesBuddy · 20/06/2018 17:30

Everyone is a bit keen here to be seen to be bright and doing well! My two did YR in two different schools, one with an after school facility. They didn’t seem to have napping children either. Difficult to explain, but napping is quite rare. Rarer then not being potty trained.

AvonCallingBarksdale · 20/06/2018 17:35

I think the key here is different strokes for different folks; whatever works for your own family is best.
Loweylo try not to worry, you’ve had some great advice here. Hope DD enjoys her school experience - before you know it you’ll be looking at GCSE options Grin

Naty1 · 20/06/2018 18:27

I disagree. Of course there is a huge difference between 4 and 5yo children. Otherwise there wouldnt be something like 25% of SB boys not hitting the eyfs writing target by end of yr R. To not acknowledge the difference is actually to be saying these kids are not as bright!
When in fact it is a physical difference.
Also there has been a big change in the curriculum in the last few years. A lot more kids seem to be reaching higher book bands or chapter books younger.
Look at the charts and you will see the results at top level are distributed by month of birth. Of course this doesnt mean individual children cant still do the best despite this.
Also at least some grammar schools adjust the results by month of birth to give the SB more chance (and yet still fewer of them get in).
It's certainly worth doing some nimber work and phonivs before they go either way

brilliotic · 20/06/2018 20:05

Naty, you're very optimistic there! Only 64% of ALL boys reached a 'Good level of development' (which means meeting expectations in 12 of the 18 early learning goals); only 73% of ALL CHILDREN met the 'writing' expectations.

The 2017 statistics see here do not seem to differentiate by month of birth (or am I missing it?) but previous years did, and the difference between April-August borns and September-December borns was marked. I worked it out last year and came to something like just barely over 50% of summer born boys met 'good level of development' (and there are still 5 months between the oldest and youngest in that group, so you'd expect the majority of those 50% SB boys who did meet GLD were relatively older) but around 90% of Autumn born girls did.

To whoever said 'you can't have it both ways' i.e. either you have to start at 4, or you have to have less schooling than other children - well no, you can have it both ways. Quite easily. Just put school starting age back to 5 where it used to be (and some children will be nearly 6). Everybody starts at the same time but nobody is only barely 4.

Yes some children are perfectly capable of learning school-ish stuff at 4 and 5, but that doesn't mean that it's in their best interest to send them to school at 4 or 5. Even those who can and do learn well at school, might profit from not being at school yet. For those who are not yet ready, the difference is enormous.

brilliotic · 20/06/2018 20:10

Sorry, found the data (different table).

61% SB and 80% Autumn born met GLD in 2017. That does not differentiate between boys and girls though, and remember SB includes April-August so a 5 months spread.

User111888 · 20/06/2018 21:06

While I agree that four is way to early to start school for most, the difference between summer borns and autumn born does decrease the older they get (I have one of each and for various reasons we decided against trying to defer entry). Many summer borns will not reach the target for writing simply because physiologically their hand is not developed enough. As I see it is more a problem with unrealistic expectations rather than with being at school. French children start maternelle at 3, but they usually do not start formal reading and writing till 6yo. Early years are spend playing and learning skills practical skills, developing coordination, attention, etc.

BubblesBuddy · 21/06/2018 00:24

So if we go back to a previous generation, are you saying that children who are 5 in August start in September when they are 5? When, exactly did that happen? When I was 5, in 1960, I went to school in April, aged 4. My summer born siblings went in April too. My DD1s school had started summer borns after half term in May/June. Part time. Their YR was negligible and nearly everyone complained. If you have an August birthday starting in Sept after they are 5, they have no YR at all. Half a term of p/t YR is useless too.

The bad news is: whenever you start, you have someone who is the youngest!!! It’s inevitable. Unless you change the whole system to say, a January intake, summer borns will be the youngest. If they defer, the Spring borns are the babies! Some parents won’t like that either.

I think the best solution would be for some summer borns to be part time for the first term. If they have done some phonics, have a good grasp of looking after themselves and are able to stay awake and want to go to school, they should go. Some children thrive and they shouldn’t be denied the chance of school because some want a nap or cannot hold a pencil.

loweylo · 21/06/2018 09:14

Thanks all so much for your advice and comments. It's such an interesting thing.

I think it does seem to be so child dependent. I started school (in the 80s) a week and a half after my fourth birthday and I definitely had no problems. But I could read a little before I started school. My brother, on the other hand, was born in late July and really struggled all the way through school. He always seemed so much smaller than the other kids and struggled to concentrate. I just know he would have done so much better if he had started nearer five.

I think my daughter does seem a little older than she is and I can't see a huge immediate difference between her and some of the children six months or so older. She has always had very good language and speech though and I think that helps. But she seems a lot younger than the oldest in her preschool year though.

In the school that she's going to the reception class is split into one full reception class and one that's mixed with the yr 1s. The oldest 25% or so are in the mixed class. This might work quite well for the youngest because the age range isn't quite so great. I've heard such good things about the teacher she will have too. That does fill me with a bit of hope.

I do go through waves of feeling that I wish I'd applied to defer for her. I didn't realise until after the deadline that it was possible to defer and apply for her to start in reception the following year. If I'd realised I think I might have tried.

I understand the argument that there always has to be a youngest in a class, but I think my feeling is that it wouldn't be such a great difference if children started formal learning that little bit later. As the teacher said on our induction meeting, the children are assessed continuously and that does worry me. I think all children, whatever their birthdays, are under an enormous amount of pressure in schools now. As are the teachers, of course. I'm not sure that's good for children. Especially the youngest.

I do think the advice to try not to concentrate on her age is a good one. I don't want her to get a complex about it and fixate on it. These things can easily run away with themselves. She might be completely fine. I've had lots of parents tell me that it was there autumn or spring born child that struggled more. Nobody can guarantee any outcome based on birthday after all.

To be honest, I think it's the emotional and social side of it that worries me the most. It's a lot for a very little person to cope with. I guess the only remedy for that is lots of cuddles and feeling secure at home. Fingers crossed she'll be okay.

All of this has been so useful. Thank you so much.

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loweylo · 21/06/2018 09:17

*their

Such terrible grammar / punctuation. Trying to multitask!

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