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Again on phonemes, /oo/

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Arkadia · 27/01/2018 11:28

Last week we got our new homework with all the words and phonemes for the term. The first is the phoneme /oo/, which, we are told, can be spelled "oo', "u-e", "ew", "ue", "u".
Within the list I see words like: June, moon, book, cute and so on.
Am I alone in finding all this very odd?
Enclosed are some examples of what they have been doing.

Again on phonemes, /oo/
Again on phonemes, /oo/
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Arkadia · 27/01/2018 19:44

Well, parents' night coming up, so I will ask her whether she meant that use, moon and book are all pronounced the same or what...

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User1980 · 27/01/2018 19:47

In Standard Scottish English they are the same, yes.

user789653241 · 27/01/2018 19:53

My ds used to pronounce some words funny and corrected by my dh when he was younger. He was picking up on my foreign accent/pronunciation. I never teach my ds how to speak/pronounce English.

Norestformrz · 28/01/2018 06:46

"Is OP's dd's confusion comes from op trying to use English phonic system she got from MN when they pronounce different in Scotland rather than school doing something wrong?" The alphabetic code charts are a good guide (even for Scottish pronunciation) but there are slight regional variations for a few sounds (and even an extra sound in the Scottish accent - England doesn't have the ch at the end of loch)
I'm in England and here we pronounce book with the same sound as in boo not as buck but would pronounce good, wood, food, soot, wool for example as gud wud fud sut wul not with the oo sound so you have to listen carefully to each word and ignore the actual spelling in order to work out which fits your accent.
Having said that the homework is an absolute shambles I'm afraid with lots of confusion

user789653241 · 28/01/2018 07:12

"my DDs can't speak English at all, only this ghastly local accent and grammar."

That's a awful things to say. I love dialect and I think they are beautiful. I have Scottish relatives and don't understand half of what they say....though I don't think they are ghastly. If you don't like how they speak/pronounce, you really need to think about moving, tbh.
I think what you are trying to do is making your dds confused even more. I don't think you should apply knowledge you gained from English teachers on MN to your dd's phonics learning.
You should trust teachers at their school, or get a tutor for them if you can't.

Norestformrz · 28/01/2018 07:21

You might be interested in this written by a Scottish teacher. It appeared in the TES Scottish section but you need to pay to access it there http://www.thelearningzoo.co.uk/2017/12/08/tess-article-do-i-have-to-spell-it-out-synthetic-phonics-works/

user789653241 · 28/01/2018 08:02

Your posts doesn't really make sense to me, OP. On one post, you say,

"I wonder what book they got that exercise (the story of oo) from and what the right answers should be."

After I suggested it says teacher's copy on it, you say,

"I just googled it."

I know you are trying to help, but to me it doesn't seems to be going well.

Norestformrz · 28/01/2018 08:26

http://www.sounds-write.co.uk/page-84-downloads-links-for-parents-teachers.aspx scroll down to Lexicon

Arkadia · 28/01/2018 09:03

Thanks Mrz. The first link doesn't work, though.

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Norestformrz · 28/01/2018 09:14

For some reason direct links to pdf files don't work on MN it's the same information just a longer route

Arkadia · 28/01/2018 09:26

I see, thanks. Very informative, especially the examples of words. I always struggle to think of other words with a certain combination of letters and cannot always find the easily when I Google them.

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Tomorrowillbeachicken · 28/01/2018 09:36

Sorry to clarify. For my accent Book is said more like buck and that isn’t a oo sound like moon.

Norestformrz · 28/01/2018 09:50

It's the same as mine in northern England

Norestformrz · 28/01/2018 09:51

OP try not to start from spellings think about the sounds then match to spellings to avoid confusion

Norestformrz · 28/01/2018 09:52

That should be it's not the same in my accent ..which is why Phonics isn't accent dependent

Arkadia · 28/01/2018 09:56

What about "good", is it the same as "book" and "should" where you are?

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dementedpixie · 28/01/2018 09:58

It's the same sound for me

user789653241 · 28/01/2018 10:05

It really doesn't matter what sounds are same or not where other people are. Only thing it matters to your children is how they pronounce in their local accent. You are just confusing them by teaching something different from school/teachers.

Norestformrz · 28/01/2018 10:15

Good and should are the same here but not book

Arkadia · 28/01/2018 11:12

Irvine, I can reassure you that to them they ARE the same.

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