Again on phonemes, /oo/

[Arkadia]

Last week we got our new homework with all the words and phonemes for the term. The first is the phoneme /oo/, which, we are told, can be spelled "oo', "u-e", "ew", "ue", "u".
Within the list I see words like: June, moon, book, cute and so on.
Am I alone in finding all this very odd?
Enclosed are some examples of what they have been doing.

June isn't /oo/! An example of as /oo/ would be flute.

I wouldn't say floo for flew, either.

FYI
(Cannot highlight, but I think it is clear enough)

June and flute don't sound quite the same to me either, but according to the dictionary they both have a /u:/ sound.

Feenie and Arcadia

It may be an accent thing with the flute and June pronunciations as in this area, they sound exactly the same. As does flew!

But definitely not bull and book!

I would put June in the /yoo/ group in my accent

I think I’d put it in /oo/ with my accent.

Did that come from school OP or did you find that chart online?

Ah, I looked at the sheet wrong - even so, that is way too complicated for that age. I loathe the way phonics are taught.

Rafals, it most certainly did NOT come from the school, but from mrz ;)
It is hanging on the kitchen wall and I refer to it very often indeed.
It is by no means complete, but you can add stuff to it when you discover it.

I am pretty sure that Standard Scottish English does not differentiate between any of these different oo sounds. The oo in "shampoo" is the same as the oo in "book" or in "put". It's not wrong, it's just Standard Scottish English. A Scottish teacher working in Scotland would presumably be wrong if they taught the oo in book as being different from the oo in shampoo.

No way, User. Shampoo and book sound VERY different and so do moon and root.

I pronounce 'moon" and 'root" the same, as does my ds...?

That's regional, OP.

In Wales, shampoo and book are very different but moon and root are the same.

Accents are fascinating. OP, what part of Scotland are you in and are you English?
I have a standard Scottish private school accent and I would pronounce these oo sounds in exactly the same way (book, put, shampoo) but I am familiar with the English variations on oo because my husband speaks RP English.

Root is a bad example because here seems to be pronounced with a short /oo/, but the dictionary tells me I am wrong. However shampooooooo and book couldn't be more different ;) (and the dictionary agrees). Indeed, boo and book is a better example ;)

We are in the central belt, but I am not a native speaker (and my DDs can't speak English at all, only this ghastly local accent and grammar. I need to have them watch The Crown :D )

Ok, that is probably a regional Scottish accent as opposed to Standard Scottish (Scottish equivalent of RP English). The closer you get to Glasgow, the less pretty the accents become IMO. But I would still suggest that a Scottish teacher teaching in Scotland would be wrong to tell children that the oo in book is different from the oo in shampoo, because there is hardly any differentiation in the Standard Scottish accent. (Regional Scottish is a different question!)

Is OP's dd's confusion comes from op trying to use English phonic system she got from MN when they pronounce different in Scotland rather than school doing something wrong?

Irvine - yes, that's what I think too. I suspect the teacher is not wrong, its just that OP is applying English pronunciation to Scottish phonics. That's why I asked OP if she is English.
She mentioned that they "don't understand phonics in Scotland" but I believe that the initial Synthetic Phonics scheme was piloted in Scotland (Falkirk?) with stunning results. That was why it was rolled out across the UK.

The teacher should be teaching to the local accent not to a standard pronunciation.

Clackmannanshire and it’s a bit of an exception in Scotland. generally they are a fair way behind England in terms of introducing phonics. It’s really only just starting to take off.

I'm Scottish and all the examples have an 'oo' sound to me

Norestformrz. Yes, absolutely.

My work involves several European languages and IPA (International Phonics Alphabet). The standard Scottish vowel sounds are far closer to several European languages vowel sounds than English is. The Scottish A sound (as in "paper" is pretty close to sounds in German (I.e. weg, leben), Italian (Prego) and French (baiser) although french opens a can of worms in terms of that sound!) It's because there is no English- type diphthong in the Scottish A. Similarly the Scottish O is without diphthong and is like German O (botschaft), Italian (caro) and French (eau).
English is actually quite an outlier in Europe with all the diphthongs.
The oo sound is a different matter and is problematic for learners in all of the above languages, as there are so many different ways to pronounce it (ie German u with or without umlaut, French - even trickier!)

So it's no surprise to me that it's the damn oo sound causing problems here. Scottish oo is wonderfully simple in comparison as there is only one!

I have just tried with my DD and she says book and moon completely differently. The same applies to put and flute. Just to be clear, all the sounds are as expected, albeit with the local inflection.

How does she say them? They don't have different sounds to me

Actually i know the "moon" sound you are referring to. It is definitely a regional sound. A speaker of Standard Scottish English would pronounce moon and book in the same way but in some very broad regional Scottish accents they would sound different. OP maybe you should move to Morningside in Edinburgh! Or Surrey