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Meeting/Exceeding Expecations

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hoping2016 · 13/12/2016 15:24

Hello

Any teachers out there who could help me..... my dd was exceeding in nursery and reception. At the end of yr 1 she was meeting expectations. Will she be just taught to meet expectations or is there still opportunity for her to 'exceed' ? She is currently yr 2.

Thank you in advance

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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 13/12/2016 18:03

I suspect it was more true under the old levelling system though.

fruitpastille · 13/12/2016 18:11

Her teacher will probably have the clearest idea of whether she will exceed expectations by the end of the year. Not many children in a class will be exceeding any more since it all changed!

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hoping2016 · 13/12/2016 18:28

Any idea on how many exceeding would be expected in a typical class?

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hoping2016 · 13/12/2016 18:30

The earlier link doesn't seem to work...Anyone have any other links ?

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MrR2200 · 13/12/2016 18:47

As Year 2 is the end of Key Stage 1, she will be assessed against the interim framework which contains criteria for greater depth (i.e. exceeding). As she left Reception exceeding I guess the teacher would be aiming to get her to greater depth but there is a big jump to the National Curriculum and there's no independent way of testing this in Year 1 so most teachers will sensibly err on the side of caution.

It's true that not all criteria have a greater depth measure (e.g. science and most of the KS2 assessments) but just because it's not assessed doesn't mean the teaching shouldn't include appropriate challenge. It's just that the government aren't currently interested in measuring it.

QwertyKeyboard · 13/12/2016 23:37

Grace - are those frameworks accessible? Dd is year two and is far below her year one targets so would love to see where I can help her?

QwertyKeyboard · 13/12/2016 23:37

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QwertyKeyboard · 13/12/2016 23:44

Do they have to do each of the criteria to be at that level, or just most? And what if they have done all but one or two, but some above? And what happened if they don't meet many of the working towards? Say, only one or two?

GraceGrape · 14/12/2016 00:31

I don't teach year 2 or year 6 but it's my understanding they have to meet them all.

mrz · 14/12/2016 05:24

There's to be yet another consultation and they may decide to go "best fit" this year rather than evidence of every single criteria

user789653241 · 14/12/2016 06:48

Op, I don't think there are any typical number of children exceeding. It really depend on cohort. Some school may have half, third, or none.
It's each child's attainment. Not certain percentage in each class, I think.

mrz · 14/12/2016 06:55

This is the first year that the new assessment system has been used so there isn't any data ...yet!

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hoping2016 · 14/12/2016 20:52

Anymore teachers that could shed light on my original post......is there possibility of moving up or some sort of halfway house?

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mrz · 14/12/2016 20:58

There's always opportunity to work "in greater depth" ( exceeding)

user789653241 · 14/12/2016 21:14

My ds got exceeding for all main subject last year(yr3). He was working way above national curriculum. Not sure about this year though, especially literacy.

Bluebird23 · 14/12/2016 22:11

My Ds is in Year 2. At parents evening his teacher told me he is working very hard and is currently on track to attain expected She expained that next term the work will step up again, then Sats results etc so the assessment could change and not to worry if the end result is working towards. Ds finished Year 1 at the expected level, I'm secretly hoping he can maintain this but I have noticed how challenging the work is for him so fingers crossed.
I know his v bright friend has already been assessed as working at greater depth in his teacher assessment for Year 2 so definately possible.

GraceGrape · 14/12/2016 22:27

Children are still expected to be challenged, but by extending their understanding to a greater depth by applying their skills in different ways, rather than moving onto the next year group's objectives. The link to the interim frameworks should give you an idea of what you could expect to see.

Basicbrown · 15/12/2016 10:38

I think the issue is for parents that 'expected' is a massive range so is pretty meaningless, even though the standards have gone up so the assessment is probably right. It covers 'just got the last criterion ticked off on the last day' to 'achieved all expected criteria by February and missed 'greater depth' by a whisker.' It's pretty relevant which camp they fit into for parents.

I was in the same boat as you OP, in that DD got 'exceeding' in year 1 for all 3 of reading, writing and maths and then 'expected' at the end of year 2 for all 3. I had been told in February that she was well ahead in maths.

I fed back to the school about the lack of information and her class teacher said that she was working at greater depth in maths just not consistently enough for it to be awarded. The others she had also achieved easily, so I was happy with that tbh. This year the school have provided more information on the first term's reports in relation to the data that they are using internally, it is a lot more helpful in relation to understanding how your child is doing.

bojorojo · 16/12/2016 01:46

The assessment of children is not about assessing the whole of the Y2 curriculum throughout the first term of Y2 (or substitute any other year). Obviously if this was the case, all children would be working towards. Schools assess about every 5/6 weeks in recorded, formal, way. During that period of time, the children will have covered various topics. Some will be below, working towards, expected or above, for those topics, not for the whole curriculum for the year. For other topics, in the future, they may dip or they may improve and be given extra work to get to exceeding.

I would always ask the school for the curriculum for each year. Lots of schools hand out termly curriculum information and have parents come in so assessment can be explained to them. I think this would help many parents if schools could give better information on this rather complicated topic.

bojorojo · 16/12/2016 01:51

I meant to add that as the progress of the child continues to be assessed through the year, a picture builds up and any topics where a child is struggling can be addressed. Or indeed where a child requires more in depth work, it can be given. It is a fairly fluid position but parents can help very effectively if they have an overview of the curriculum.

MrsKCastle · 16/12/2016 08:03

hoping there is always the opportunity for children to improve, no teacher would set an artificial limit. If your child is capable of working to 'greater depth' on the interim framework linked above, then the teacher will do their best to get them there. But there is an awful lot to learn for 'expected' and it I is obviously more important that she is secure in these targets rather than rushing on and leaving gaps. Do look at the framework and see for yourself what she needs to work on.

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hoping2016 · 16/12/2016 10:10

Thank you so much - can't imagine life without mumsnet! Invaluable advice

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Delatron · 16/12/2016 16:22

Just seems the range for expected is huge and gives us no indication really of how the pupil is performing. I have no experience of the old levels but it seems you got more information with them...

mrz · 16/12/2016 16:32

Not really but perhaps having a meaningless number scale felt better