Non decodable books in reception

[Sleeperandthespindle]

My DS was so excited to bring home his first book with words today - then disheartened to find he couldn't read it. He is doing well with blending with the phonemes and graphemes he knows, but of course hasn't been taught 'pp', 'er' and 'wh' yet.
Is it worth mentioning this to school? They must know that it's utterly pointless sending home such books? There's a printed page at the front of the reading record that mentions 'looking for clues' and 'encourage to guess'...

Then the question doesn't make sense

What question?

My statement was directly after your statement: 'I worry about those who think guessing is a good reading strategy.'

I've never suggested I do.

Have I captured your position correctly?

I'm afraid you've missed my position by a million miles Jassy I have great respect for parents (after all I am one) who are often better informed than some teachers.

The debate the OP started involved whole word reading and encouraging guessing strategies, jessy. That's what the whole thread is about

I am from one of the country with high literacy rate as well. I never experienced teacher encouraging guessing.

I am teaching my ds to read in my native language, I wouldn't ask him to guess.

I'm afraid you've missed my position by a million miles Jassy I have great respect for parents (after all I am one) who are often better informed than some teachers

Grand, and I apologise for misunderstanding you based on your approach to this discussion and my own previous experience.

Mrz's entire tone throughout the thread and the 'are you a teacher' with no context.

I think you've definitely misread the tone - mrz has a long MN history of helping countless parents and us well-known for this.

It's Jassy, btw, Feenie.

I understand what the OP was about but I was very clear in my first and subsequent posts that it wasn't my position.

Discussions on MN often progress beyond the OP. If that's a faux pas in Primary Education, then I apologise.

The question you asked that I included in the reply Jassy

Actually, having reread my first post, I see I used 'guessing' as a proxy for 'using context to decide which sound is the right one, having already.

This was inaccurate as I wasn't talking about pure guessing, rather than using phonetic knowledge and then vocabulary and context to determine which sound is correct. I thought that was clear from the context; clearly it wasn't.

As I've just observed DS1 doing. Coincidentally enough with 'was'.

My point has been that if you aren't willing to talk to parents in language that makes sense to them - eg that there is an element of context and 'working out' as part of reading, as well as pure phonetic understanding - then it undermines the relationship.

The question you asked that I included in the reply Jassy

You said you worried about those who thought guessing was a good reading strategy. I asked if I was one of 'those'.

Now, I have norovirus, the baby has had norovirus, but I don't think I'm quite addled enough that it's a particularly obtuse question.

Anyway - I've learned my lesson and will give the topic a wide berth in future.

You stated I was the type of teacher you worried about and I replied I worried about those who thought guessing a reading strategy ...you then asked if I thought you one of those which is why I asked if you are a teacher

Ah. I didn't pick up that you had intended 'those' to be restricted to teachers. Glad that's cleared up.

It's Jassy, btw, Feenie

Sorry, my autocorrect is not at all keen on your username for some reason!

"I've encountered teachers who see parents as an inconvenience"

mrz is farrrrrrrrrrr from that. Yes, sometimes I find her a bit scary(sorry), but since I joined MN, she helped me bunch of times, given me so many great advice. If she didn't care about education/ children/ teaching/parents. why she keep on helping people like us?

Not read the whole thread as very long.

My understanding (and what I've done with mine)
School teaches them the basics, then she read the books sent home and taught her the more tricky bits that needed one to one attention that cannot be delivered to every child in a class.
Mine learnt just fine and now at 5 can read fluently

I'm sorry you find me scary ...it's difficult to express tone in print

kesstrel I have a brain injury which means I don't always correctly absorb information. Especially if I'm not interested in applying much effort. I'm glad you find that amusing.

Did I offend you, mrz? Sorry! I didn't mean to. You know I love your style, my word choice was clearly wrong. I meant scary = more direct?

Anyway, it is really helpful for foreigner like me, I have difficulty reading between the lines.

kesstrel I have a brain injury which means I don't always correctly absorb information. Especially if I'm not interested in applying much effort. I'm glad you find that amusing.

Oh don't be so utterly ridiculous - how could she have possibly known you had a brain injury, fgs?

No Irvine I'm not offended I just don't want to scare anyone

Is being scary a bad thing in England?
I was always scared of some teachers/ parents/ anyone in authority, but not in the bad way. It's what I feel when I respect them. I just can't think of other word in English. I wouldn't be scared of a crappy teacher even if they looked/talked like Miss Trunchbull.
Sorry I'm not making any sense now am I?

Oh divine, you make me laugh! No, none of us are aiming for Trunchbull.- not a good attitude or a great look

Irvine, divine!

Maybe I might change my username to irvinedivine!